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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Luis, If you scroll back from March 2015, you will find more 1.6 Hz signals. Search the Haarp records from that period for more evidence. Look on YouTube under 'Haarp Conspiracy' to see the 1.6 and 2.5 Hz signals as received in Alaska. An ELF enthusiast in Australia received 1.6 Hz too.   The 'Tesla' TX ran for 2 years continuously from late 2013 to 2015 and a bit. Future ELF transmissions are likely on 1.6 Hz. If you look at Kiruna daily, you will still see very occasional remaining weak 1.6 Hz echoes. I am waiting for these, and some others showing on Romagna to clear completely. That could take some time, as things happen VERY slowly below 2 Hz. The timescales and QSB fades are measured in years at those frequencies!!I am putting effort into getting the Tesla signal out on Long Waves, and hopefully it will then be easier to study and make more sense, and ordinary domestic LW receivers can be used for monitoring. I'm pleased there is no hostility here for this 'strange' Tesla radio, so once it's established on LW's, further progress can be made.Perhaps it will 'usher in' a new chapter for Long Waves? Kind regards, David. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 539279ff7bff569d21f0b11e439ca5cc Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11314187_1518072051.1518300738237" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_11314187_1518072051.1518300738237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luis, If you scroll back from March 2015, you will find more 1.6 Hz sign= als. Search the Haarp records from that period for more evidence. Look on Y= ouTube under 'Haarp Conspiracy' to see the 1.6 and 2.5 Hz signals as receiv= ed in Alaska. An ELF enthusiast in Australia received 1.6 Hz too. =C2=A0=C2= =A0The 'Tesla' TX ran for 2 years continuously from late 2013 to 2015 and a= bit. Future ELF transmissions are likely on 1.6 Hz. If you look at Kiruna = daily, you will still see very occasional remaining weak 1.6 Hz echoes. I a= m waiting for these, and some others showing on Romagna to clear completely= . That could take some time, as things happen VERY slowly below 2 Hz. The t= imescales and QSB fades are measured in years at those frequencies!!I am pu= tting effort into getting the Tesla signal out on Long Waves, and hopefully= it will then be easier to study and make more sense, and ordinary domestic= LW receivers can be used for monitoring. I'm pleased there is no hostility= here for this 'strange' Tesla radio, so once it's established on LW's, fur= ther progress can be made.Perhaps it will 'usher in' a new chapter for Long= Waves? Kind regards, David.=C2=A0 From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 21:38 Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? =20 Hi David, Clemens, Markus. ELF ! :-O I have searched about Kiruna observatory and found the page which shows the= magnetic pulsationsdaily. There is really an interesting signal at about 1= .6Hz during March 2015 which can't be seenin other months/years=C2=A0http:/= /www2.irf.se/maggraphs/puls.php A test would be quite interesting David. Do you mean you can transmit actua= lly with your Tesla systemand leave a trace at Kiruna at >2000Km ? Or that = from march 2015 was an exceptional achievementand unique event ? At minimum this is fascinating David. A demonstration would be very interes= ting. Are you able to setthe system on Tx ? 73 de LuisEA5DOM=C2=A0=C2=A0 De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]= en nombre de David Hine [evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk] Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 10 de febrero de 2018 21:40 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Hi Clemens, I don't understand that sort of stuff, and I just judge the ant= enna on its 'on air' receive and transmit performance. It soundslike 'Marco= ni' technology type of 'logic', and I'm very doubtful it applies to the VLF= Tesla antenna technology.It's essential when doing 'Tesla', everything Mar= coni appears irrelevant, and best 'forgotten'. This causes technical disput= es, and so it'sbest to wait and see how it performs on Long Waves as a tran= smitting antenna.Another interesting thing noticed after ELF transmissions = (at 1.6 Hz), are very long delayed echoes that last for extremely long peri= ods. The signals also get 'distorted', and the timings are also changed by = the ELF propagation. Local 'mixing' with mains hums also occurs at the rece= iver locale, creating 'spurious' by products. This is all so different to a= ny other type of radio. These strange 'effects' occur below 5 Hz, but the '= sprogs' spread up to 200 Hz. These strange propagation effects may not occu= r at 'normal' frequencies, so that's one reason to investigate the Tesla me= thod on ordinary VLF and Long Wave (LF).I realise this will be 'weird' to m= ost, and it's something that was 'forgotten' over 100 years ago, when Tesla= 's work was 'written out of history'. The Tesla stuff found on the web is m= issing much vital information, and without that, it is incomplete and does = not work. I am referring to Tesla's power by wireless system, which is a VL= F one.With very kind regards, David. =C2=A0 From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 19:44 Subject: RE: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Hi David, >>Maybe you can disclose at least the the 3dB BW of this kind of antenna? >Hi Clemens, I'm not sure I understand your question. The 3 dB bandwidth is f0/Q and=C2=A0 Q is defined as X/R where X is the reactance of the inductor and the capacitor at the resonant frequency. The lossless-Q of a small antenna is a useful academic quantity, and is the reactance divided by the radiation-resistance.=C2=A0 It gives the maxim= um theoretical Q for any given small antenna, and then the actual Q can be measured on the real antenna.=C2=A0 The radiation efficiency is the lossles= s Q divided by the actual Q, by the equations: Qlossless =3D X/Rrad, Qactual =3D X/(Rrad+Rloss), Qactual/Qlossless =3D Rrad/(Rrad+Rloss) =3D radiation efficiency. An interesting limit for small antennas is the minimum lossless Q that can be achieved, and was derived by Chu in 1948 from only the frequency and the size of the antenna. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of David Hine >Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:13 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? > =20 ------=_Part_11314187_1518072051.1518300738237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi= Luis, If you scroll back from March 2015, you will find more 1.6 Hz signal= s. Search the Haarp records from that period for more evidence. Look on You= Tube under 'Haarp Conspiracy' to see the 1.6 and 2.5 Hz signals as received= in Alaska. An ELF enthusiast in Australia received 1.6 Hz too.   = ;
The 'Te= sla' TX ran for 2 years continuously from late 2013 to 2015 and a bit. Futu= re ELF transmissions are likely on 1.6 Hz. If you look at Kiruna daily, you= will still see very occasional remaining weak 1.6 Hz echoes. I am waiting = for these, and some others showing on Romagna to clear completely. That cou= ld take some time, as things happen VERY slowly below 2 Hz. The timescales = and QSB fades are measured in years at those frequencies!!
I am putting effort into = getting the Tesla signal out on Long Waves, and hopefully it will then be e= asier to study and make more sense, and ordinary domestic LW receivers can = be used for monitoring.
I'm pleased there is no hostility here for this 'strange' T= esla radio, so once it's established on LW's, further progress can be made.=
Perhaps = it will 'usher in' a new chapter for Long Waves?
Kind regards, David. 


From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <luis@vigilant.es>
= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 21:38
Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from K= iruna?

Hi David, Clemens, Markus. E= LF ! :-O

I have searched about Kiru= na observatory and found the page which shows the magnetic pulsations
daily. There is really an = interesting signal at about 1.6Hz during March 2015 which can't be seen
in other months/years = ;http://www2.irf.se/maggraphs/puls.php

A test would be quite inte= resting David. Do you mean you can transmit actually with your Tesla system=
and leave a trace at Kirun= a at >2000Km ? Or that from march 2015 was an exceptional achievement
and unique event ?

At minimum this is fascinating David. A demonstration would be very in= teresting. Are you able to set
the system on Tx ?

73 de Luis
EA5DOM  

De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de David Hine [ev= ad_hine@yahoo.co.uk]
Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 10 de febrero de 2018 21:40
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?

Hi Clemens, I= don't understand that sort of stuff, and I just judge the antenna on its '= on air' receive and transmit performance. It sounds
like 'Marconi= ' technology type of 'logic', and I'm very doubtful it applies to the VLF T= esla antenna technology.
It's essentia= l when doing 'Tesla', everything Marconi appears irrelevant, and best 'forg= otten'. This causes technical disputes, and so it's
best to wait = and see how it performs on Long Waves as a transmitting antenna.
Another inter= esting thing noticed after ELF transmissions (at 1.6 Hz), are very long del= ayed echoes that last for extremely long periods. The signals also get 'dis= torted', and the timings are also changed by the ELF propagation. Local 'mixing' with mains hums also occurs= at the receiver locale, creating 'spurious' by products. This is all so di= fferent to any other type of radio. These strange 'effects' occur below 5 H= z, but the 'sprogs' spread up to 200 Hz.
T= hese strange propagation effects may not occur at 'normal' frequencies, so = that's one reason to investigate the Tesla method on ordinary VLF and Long = Wave (LF).
I= realise this will be 'weird' to most, and it's something that was 'forgott= en' over 100 years ago, when Tesla's work was 'written out of history'. The= Tesla stuff found on the web is missing much vital information, and without that, it is incomplete and does not wo= rk. I am referring to Tesla's power by wireless system, which is a VLF one.=
W= ith very kind regards, David.  


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From: Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 19:44
Subject: RE: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?
H= i David,
>>Maybe you can disclose at least the the 3dB BW of this kind of ante= nna?
>Hi Clemens, I'm not sure I understand your question.
The 3 dB bandwidth is f0/Q and  Q is defined as X/R
where X is the reactance of the inductor and the capacitor at the
resonant frequency.
The lossless-Q of a small antenna is a useful academic quantity, and is
the reactance divided by the radiation-resistance.  It gives the maxim= um
theoretical Q for any given small antenna, and then the actual Q can be
measured on the real antenna.  The radiation efficiency is the lossles= s Q
divided by the actual Q, by the equations:
Qlossless =3D X/Rrad,
Qactual =3D X/(Rrad+Rloss),
Qactual/Qlossless =3D Rrad/(Rrad+Rloss) =3D radiation efficiency.
An interesting limit for small antennas is the minimum lossless Q that can<= br clear=3D"none"> be achieved, and was derived by Chu in 1948 from only the frequency and
the size of the antenna.
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ


>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of David Hine
>Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:13 PM
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?
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