Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.85]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD071-860d4d68ed122a4; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:07:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 518CA3800009E; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PtIuy-0007VK-Ia for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:06:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PtIuy-0007VB-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:06:36 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PtIuv-0008UW-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:06:35 +0000 Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1QC6N0m030448 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:06:23 -0500 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfb173.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.177.115]) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 565B1E001F0F for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:06:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91080E99390042E499FB23B4F98CD84A@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4D68D656.11240.29D4BD@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:06:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: HE3OM in JA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CBD5B6.01F1F770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554d68ed106a28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CBD5B6.01F1F770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations to Kuni and Toni, and thanks Mike for sorting out the= relevant screenshots. Yes faster modes may give a powerful station a better chance to get a= complete message across. Already on Monday evening, dots from HE3OM= have definitely been identified on the JA7NI grabber while it was run= ning in 84 mHz "QRSS-10" resolution. But for the likes of ourselves who are able to produce a marginal SNR= at best, I think the only option is trying to produce a few traces at= 90 seconds or slower modes. Best regards, and good luck to all, Markus (DF6NM) From: Mike Dennison=20 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: HE3OM in JA Last night HE3OM put a good signal into JA7NI's grabber at JA dawn..= =20 UA4WPF can also be seen, but much weaker than previously. See=20 attached. Also attached is the same time on RN3AGC's grabber which shows that=20 DF6NM and myself were also calling, but we could not compete with=20 HE3OM's ERP which I estimate as 15-20dB up on us. The JA picture also supports my theory that QRS120 is not a practical= =20 speed for real DX. There are long periods where the signal is well=20 above the noise, but QSB prevents the whole callsign being received.= =20 At that strength, QRS30 would probably have still been viable and=20 allowed a couple of full calls to be read. Congratulations to HE3OM on what may be an amateur world record on=20 136, though with an estimated ERP much bigger than most amateurs have= =20 available. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CBD5B6.01F1F770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations to Kuni and Toni, and= thanks Mike=20 for sorting out the relevant screenshots.
 
Yes faster modes may give a powe= rful station a=20 better chance to get a complete message across. Already on Monday= evening,=20 dots from HE3OM have definitely been identified on the JA7NI grabber= while it=20 was running in 84 mHz "QRSS-10" resolution.
 
But for the likes of ourselves= who are able to=20 produce a marginal SNR at best, I think the only option=20 is trying to produce a few traces at 90 seconds or= slower=20 modes.
 
Best regards, and good luck to all,
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: LF: HE3OM in JA
=
Last night HE3OM put a=20 good signal into JA7NI's grabber at JA dawn..
UA4WPF can also be= seen, but=20 much weaker than previously. See
attached.

Also attached is= the same=20 time on RN3AGC's grabber which shows that
DF6NM and myself were al= so=20 calling, but we could not compete with
HE3OM's ERP which I estimat= e as=20 15-20dB up on us.

The JA picture also supports my theory that= QRS120 is=20 not a practical
speed for real DX. There are long periods where th= e signal=20 is well
above the noise, but QSB prevents the whole callsign being= received.=20
At that strength, QRS30 would probably have still been viable and= =20
allowed a couple of full calls to be read.

Congratulations= to HE3OM=20 on what may be an amateur world record on
136, though with an esti= mated ERP=20 much bigger than most amateurs have
available.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
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