Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tADEkO6m029316 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:46:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxFXq-0006LE-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:41:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxFXp-0006L5-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:41:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZxFWl-0000lw-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:41:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DfBwAh9UVWPKyNH1xdGQEDCwECAQEBAoI+TVNvwDohhWkEAgKBOk0BAQEBAQEHAQEBAUE/hDQBAQEBAwhOLgUFAwMRBAEBIQcHOQoDCQgGEwgJCYd/AxYJvBsLhGYBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEBAQEBGYpMgQaFEYMTgRUFhgsMgS2GEIUTg2EBgSGoSoJ/gWg+NIU9AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A2DfBwAh9UVWPKyNH1xdGQEDCwECAQEBAoI+TVNvwDohhWkEAgKBOk0BAQEBAQEHAQEBAUE/hDQBAQEBAwhOLgUFAwMRBAEBIQcHOQoDCQgGEwgJCYd/AxYJvBsLhGYBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEBAQEBGYpMgQaFEYMTgRUFhgsMgS2GEIUTg2EBgSGoSoJ/gWg+NIU9AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,287,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="692592284" Received: from host-92-31-141-172.as13285.net (HELO malcoHP) ([92.31.141.172]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2015 14:41:35 +0000 Message-ID: <90EBB51A0F634CE68CC1C941652EE2E6@malcoHP> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613@servigilant.vigilant.local> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:40:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Scan-Signature: c172b771707a94a5bc2f57171c0c1a85 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01D11E21.2F474910" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5014 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01D11E21.2F474910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luis Disable the deep search facility and therefore there would be no = complaints Real contact or nil 73 gl de mal/g3kev From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:53 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Mal, Graham Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would be under Deep Search And you know. Not considered "real" decodes by the purists and so, = garbaje qualifyed Not showed on PskReporter map, either WSPR-15 may be another option, but stressing a PA for 15 minutes is not = easy without nice matching and not sure if that is possible there. A WSPR-15 decode should be AAA+ = qualified without doubts ;-) QSB on MF may be also an issue, for a 15 min WSPR TX, as previously = discussed in this reflector Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5ZX is trying to improve his Tx on MF and = there are better conditions to come on this band, ins't it ?. We have to be patient ..... 73 de Luis EA5DOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de mal hamilton Enviado el: viernes, 13 de noviembre de 2015 10:17 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Graham=20 Tnx info=20 If you could contact him and ask him to divert to Opera reporting = sometimes it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS = are active at present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would = also be worth trying for a real time QSO DE MAL/G3KEV From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Not yet, as far as we know Mal, Tom, G8HUH asked in the yahoo group after his wspr spot , by the = report Tom achieved, FR5 , would of made it back to Uk with his = 60 watts in OP8 directly=20 73-G, From: Mal Hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz A lot of acty tonite De mal/g3kev Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" wrote: It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that distance = to FR5ZX=20 also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on MF 73 de Mal.G3KEV From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi MF Interesting conditions to Reunion last night A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. Only four stations reported 1 from G8HUH at -30 3 from SV8CS best -24 6 from DK7FC best -24 13 from EA5DOM best -19 From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference site for LF antennas I have seen his = calculations for a vertical antenna with inductive topload. May be is the closer configuration to = what I have managed to get here http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#IndTop There is no mention to the feeding point for such antenna. In my setup = H(L) is 80m and I'm feeding at the coil base. Total H is 80+11=3D 91m The Ra calculated from Rick formulas is over 8 Ohm (not mOhm) This radiation resistance seems too much to be true. But results are = proving really outstanding I'm just feeding the antenna with 70W, believe it or not and it is not = really resonanting on WPSR frequency but on 488KHz as I adjust the variometer up at the antenna and then run a coax line = to shack which changes it all The 80m pipe which forms the H(L) is really more complex in practice. = It goes down to building basement and there splits into different pipes. One connects to presure = compressor and water tank. The other runs underground 40m to the twin tower and then runs up again another 80m = into the twin (parallel) tower The pipe section running underground is not metal, but plastic. The = iner water column should work as current conductor. That water is confined in the pipes and presurized. = Should be saturated with metal oxide similar to a heating circuit, so probably the plastic pipe got metal = deposits inside which make it even better conductor than the water colum itself Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >10% efficiency ?? 73 de Luis EA5DOM=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de VIGILANT Luis = Fern=E1ndez Enviado el: lunes, 09 de noviembre de 2015 16:01 Para: DK7FC; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR From WSPR database, FR5ZX transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not = allowed in Reuni=F3n?=20 73 de Luis EA5DOM Enviado en portable ------ Mensaje original ------ Desde: DK7FC Fecha: 09/11/2015 14:48 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Asunto:Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Genosse Roman, FR5ZX is using a resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load = near his house. He also transmits with this antenna. 73, Stefan Am 09.11.2015 01:35, schrieb Roman RW3ADB:=20 Parteigenosse Stefan!=20 Any news about FR5ZX RX-setup? ) 73! Roman ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01D11E21.2F474910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Luis
Disable the deep search facility and therefore there would be no=20 complaints
Real contact or nil
73 gl
de mal/g3kev
 
 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:53 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Hi Mal, Graham
 
Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would = be under Deep=20 Search
 
And you know. Not considered "real" decodes by the = purists and=20 so, garbaje qualifyed
Not showed on PskReporter map, = either
 
WSPR-15 may be another option, but stressing a PA = for 15=20 minutes is not easy without nice matching
and not sure if that is possible there. A WSPR-15 = decode=20 should be AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-)
QSB on MF may be also an issue, for a 15 min WSPR = TX, as=20 previously discussed in this reflector
 
Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5ZX is trying to = improve his Tx=20 on MF and there are better conditions
to come on this band, ins't it ?. We have to be = patient=20 .....
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
 
De: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de mal=20 hamilton
Enviado el: viernes, 13 de noviembre de 2015=20 10:17
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: LF: = Re:=20 FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Graham
Tnx info
If you could contact him and ask him to divert to  Opera = reporting=20 sometimes it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS = are=20 active at present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would also = be=20 worth trying for a real time QSO
 
DE MAL/G3KEV
 
 
From: Graham
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Not  yet, as far as we know Mal,
 
Tom, G8HUH  asked  in the  yahoo  group = after =20 his  wspr  spot ,  by the  report  Tom = achieved, =20 FR5 , would  of made it back   to  Uk with his  = 60=20 watts in OP8 directly
 
73-G,
 
From: Mal Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz
A lot of acty tonite
De mal/g3kev


Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that = distance to=20 FR5ZX
also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on = MF
 
73 de Mal.G3KEV
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
 
Hi MF
 
Interesting conditions to Reunion last=20 night
 
A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. Only four = stations=20 reported
 
1 from G8HUH at -30
3 from SV8CS best -24
6 from DK7FC best -24
13 from EA5DOM best -19
 
From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference site for = LF=20 antennas I have seen his calculations for a = vertical
antenna with inductive topload. May be is = the closer=20 configuration to what I have managed to get here
 
http://www.strobbe.eu= /on7yd/136ant/#IndTop
 
There is no mention to the feeding point = for such=20 antenna. In my setup H(L) is 80m and I'm feeding
at the coil base. Total H is 80+11=3D=20 91m
 
The Ra calculated from Rick formulas is = over 8 Ohm=20 (not mOhm)
This radiation resistance seems too much to = be true.=20 But results are proving really outstanding
 
I'm just feeding the antenna with 70W, = believe it or=20 not and it is not really resonanting on WPSR frequency but on=20 488KHz
as I adjust the variometer up at the = antenna and then=20 run a coax line to shack which changes it all
 
The 80m pipe which forms the H(L) is really = more=20 complex in practice. It goes down to building = basement
and there splits into different pipes. One = connects=20 to presure compressor and water tank. The other = runs
underground 40m to the twin tower and then = runs up=20 again another 80m into the twin (parallel) tower
The pipe section running underground is not = metal,=20 but plastic. The iner water column should work as
current conductor. That water is confined = in the=20 pipes and presurized. Should be saturated with metal = oxide
similar to a heating circuit, so probably = the plastic=20 pipe got metal deposits inside which make it even = better
conductor than the water colum=20 itself
 
Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >10% = efficiency=20 ??
 
73 de = Luis
EA5DOM 
 
De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org]=20 En nombre de VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez
Enviado el: = lunes, 09 de=20 noviembre de 2015 16:01
Para: DK7FC; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Asunto:=20 Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

From WSPR database, = FR5ZX=20 transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not allowed in Reuni=F3n?

 

73 de Luis

EA5DOM

 

Enviado en=20 portable

------ Mensaje original ------
Desde: = DK7FC
Fecha: 09/11/2015=20 14:48
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ;
Asunto:Re:=20 LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR

Hi Genosse Roman,

FR5ZX is = using a=20 resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load near his house. He = also=20 transmits with this antenna.

73, Stefan

Am 09.11.2015 = 01:35,=20 schrieb Roman RW3ADB:=20
Parteigenosse = Stefan!=20

Any = news about=20 FR5ZX RX-setup? )


 
73!
Roman
=
 
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