Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-85fc4b8402a7290; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:30:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BDD77380002E1; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Njxdi-0001zd-7N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Njxdh-0001zU-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:37 +0000 Received: from web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Njxdh-00056a-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 57980 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2010 16:29:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1266942569; bh=ePOKNteRBhkf8tutbJVyO3oAk/2XkOpVepGilZiXm4w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V0ANNrK7tvg4FUFr3qMnidYVIv4no4rgSoP2qD12WMaQBjspMn/c3mBqHdGemAqvroVlj9s06IsCoVbgmceYV92nN92ozLW2Vwgq0Ye9IPiDgtL+forfXX/sno26OSaCZpEdUmKISA3MP2XN9BYx9rPpi98/4DSkrXXu0TA1QbI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VqxOrFZ4YxcnYqVAlN8TTpyRFosTr6HncaK6z8YassRQzM24NskkaqT+p54bQRqWP3ye8e2sjzdlMmKaqPZXh0KEZkxr4U4N41O5GdnG3+gEbFmdMHp9nefM83bfyeC9xTDz+ohc4siA63yMJAQGRTKtjalMMQ/TUNC0gHjOm4I=; Message-ID: <901121.57930.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pOtFEHsVM1lPF9_cH20nqQaOXhh23TWwUSI5F8DRFyVf6Fl2s9dWzMrRBUuciXd9LvOYR6vPO6_qtHqHeBsy03PsVuWSnEMBt61x8ff_a0KyMzbX.tpFOiMv.6rFBrt9uG6G0ey0plXJZeXGkKeLka8vRdjxE8jGaurnotuGjT4J3fDWdBeaEtMwZPOQK0tgP0QUlQWyAsmV.5YhHxyFhszA9ILfO3ZcfjumT9PxcCCF7WBejldR4hpRu2kVx3A6rqB5MnhtwLoYd15G Received: from [86.130.73.141] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:29 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:29 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <029701cab49c$719d1be0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: DATA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1378786686-1266942569=:57930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d227.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b8402a45c31 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1378786686-1266942569=:57930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not quite to the "Death " Jim but untill they start twisting my wrist.....= .:-))) 73 es GL petefmt --- On Tue, 23/2/10, James Cowburn wrote: From: James Cowburn Subject: LF: RE: DATA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 15:25 Hi Mal =C2=A0 See annotations below for my comments and observations. =C2=A0 Thanks for CW QSO on Sunday too With best regards =C2=A0 Jim =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net =C2=A0 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 23 February 2010 14:50 To: rsgb Subject: LF: DATA=20 =C2=A0 Generally band condx vy good at present from LF to HF as far as 24 Mcs. = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Yes indeed.=C2=A0 I worked some good Dx last week during= half term on 17m/15m and 24m, perhaps the old soleil is firing up again =C2=A0 Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA stns. Lots of strong= US stations on 40m thru 15m, though CW portions plagued with contests. = =C2=A0G3XIZ is running CW tests on his H/B 40m Tx on 7.030 and we can QSO= but its busy =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor, Pactor and packet transmissions= but RTTY seems to have survived over the years.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I think AMTOR= , Packet and PACTOR have been superseded by e-mail as they were not really= routine QSO modes in general but more service modes. =C2=A0RTTY remains= popular as it is easy to set up, tx friendly and works fine. =C2=A0(Only= my opinion) =C2=A0 Observations indicate that data mode acty does not last long, the novelty= wares (sp wears) off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB and RTTY are= still going strong.=C2=A0 I see that there are still many users of all mo= des including AM on topband,=C2=A0 We have a thriving top band AM net in= Bedfordshire even though it is plagued by some QRM from HtG.=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Some will argue that cw and rtty are data. =C2=A0They are or at least RTTY= is =C2=A0 =C2=A0but I am referring to the fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, pac= ket and all the JT, wspr etc, =C2=A0=C2=A0Hardly fly by night Mal, if you= visit the WSPR website and see the activity on all bands from LF thru to= 6m and the number of spots and users increasing all the time, its hardly= fly by night. =C2=A0JT etc are used by EME lot too as you know, and its= been used by me for the mighty total of two QSOs on 500. =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 tuning across the bands today I did not hear any of these modes.=C2=A0 Pro= bably because most of the users are out at work today, it is a Tuesday aft= er all! I would be out at work were it not for a slight issue of differenc= e between my old CEO and his investors resulting in our liquidation!! =C2= =A0Hey ho. Back to the CV writing in between forarys on the radio! =C2=A0 Also as you know with JT and WSPR, you can Rx signals you can=E2=80=99t he= ar =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Obviously the majority of ham operators are not interested. Obviously?=C2= =A0 To you maybe and that is your opinion but I would beg to differ.=C2=A0= There=E2=80=99s more and more WSPR users coming on to 500 and up.=C2=A0= Several users have tried and succeeded with JT4A QSOs over good distances= (me included and I=E2=80=99m a QRP newbie!). =C2=A0If one was to look at= the adoption vs time curve for modes such as WSJT and WSPR, it is my gues= s that it would far outperform those similar curves for SSB/CW etc.=20 =C2=A0 It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, Most of the MF ops I= know barring me have all built their own gear, so I think you must be ref= erring to me in which case n=3D1, sorry Mal but the stats are collapsing!!= =C2=A0J =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!! =C2=A0They said that about T/A on 73KHz,= walking on the moon, travelling faster than 30mph on trains and the spinn= ing jenny! =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Mal, put that clog down or you=E2=80=99ll get= transported to the colonies =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you fancy your chances on VLF below 9 Kcs I will listen out.=C2=A0I hav= e a suitable RX and antenna.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I for one am looking into it, and= I indeed have the appliances for Rx. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Your observations ?=C2=A0 there you have them.=C2=A0=C2=A0 None of which= are intended to change your mind, as Voltaire himself said, =E2=80=9C I= disagree vehemently with your opinion but I will defend to the death your= right to say it=E2=80=9D (or at least words to that effect!) =C2=A0 de G3KEV=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 73s de G7NKS (Jim) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 --0-1378786686-1266942569=:57930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not quite to the "Death " Jim but untill th= ey start twisting my wrist......:-)))

73 es GL petefmt

---= On Tue, 23/2/10, James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>= wrote:

From: James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.n= et>
Subject: LF: RE: DATA
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 15:25

Hi Mal=

 =

See annotations belo= w for my comments and observations.

 =

Thanks for CW QSO on= Sunday too

With best regards

=  

Jim

=  

=  

Dr. James Cowburn

E <= /FONT>james.cowburn@virgin.net

=  

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 23= February 2010 14:50
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: DAT= A

 

Generally band condx vy good at present from LF= to HF as far as 24 Mcs. &n= bsp;  Yes indeed.  I worked some good Dx last week during= half term on 17m/15m and 24m, perhaps the old soleil is firing up again

 =

Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong= USA stns. Lots of strong= US stations on 40m thru 15m, though CW portions plagued with contests. &n= bsp;G3XIZ is running CW tests on his H/B 40m Tx on 7.030 and we can QSO bu= t its busy

 =

 =

What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor, Pactor= and packet transmissions but RTTY seems to have survived over the years.<= FONT color=3Dnavy>   I think AMTOR,= Packet and PACTOR have been superseded by e-mail as they were not really= routine QSO modes in general but more service modes.  RTTY remains= popular as it is easy to set up, tx friendly and works fine.  (Only= my opinion)

 =

Observations indicate that data mode acty does= not last long, the novelty wares (sp wears) off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SS= B and RTTY are still going strong.  I see that there are still many users of all modes including= AM on topband,  We have a thriving top band AM net in Bedfordshire= even though it is plagued by some QRM from HtG.    =

 =

 =

Some will argue that cw and rtty are data.  They are or at least RTT= Y is

 =

 but I am referring to the fly by night da= ta modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the JT, wspr etc,   Hardly fly by night Mal, if you= visit the WSPR website and see the activity on all bands from LF thru to= 6m and the number of spots and users increasing all the time, its hardly= fly by night.  JT etc are used by EME lot too as you know, and its= been used by me for the mighty total of two QSOs on 500.   

 =

 =

tuning across the bands today I did not hear an= y of these modes.  Pro= bably because most of the users are out at work today, it is a Tuesday aft= er all! I would be out at work were it not for a slight issue of differenc= e between my old CEO and his investors resulting in our liquidation!! &nbs= p;Hey ho. Back to the CV writing in between forarys on the radio!

 =

Also as you know wit= h JT and WSPR, you can Rx signals you can=E2=80=99t hear =

 =

Obviously the majority of ham operators are not= interested. Obviously?&nbs= p; To you maybe and that is your opinion but I would beg to differ. = There=E2=80=99s more and more WSPR users coming on to 500 and up. = Several users have tried and succeeded with JT4A QSOs over good distances= (me included and I=E2=80=99m a QRP newbie!).  If one was to look at= the adoption vs time curve for modes such as WSJT and WSPR, it is my gues= s that it would far outperform those similar curves for SSB/CW etc.

 =

It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Opera= tor, Most of the MF ops I= know barring me have all built their own gear, so I think you must be ref= erring to me in which case n=3D1, sorry Mal but the stats are collapsing!!=  J

 =

 =

and the 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!!  They said that about T/A on 73KHz,= walking on the moon, travelling faster than 30mph on trains and the spinn= ing jenny!    Mal, put that clog down or you=E2=80=99ll get= transported to the colonies

 =

 =

If you fancy your chances on VLF below 9 Kcs I= will listen out. I have a suitable RX and antenna.   I for one am looking into it, an= d I indeed have the appliances for Rx.  <= /DIV>

 =

 =

 =

Your observations ?  there you have them.   None of which= are intended to change your mind, as Voltaire himself said, =E2=80=9C I= disagree vehemently with your opinion but I will defend to the death your= right to say it=E2=80=9D (or at least words to that effect!)

 

de G3KEV 

 =

73s de G7NKS (Jim)

 

 


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