Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFE13380000C1; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R11dB-0003js-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:48:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R11dA-0003jj-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:48:24 +0100 Received: from nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R11d9-0002vh-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:48:24 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.230] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 19:48:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 651858.28172.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 12133 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2011 19:48:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=nMBv79FK7CiK5OTmGmSNHDp3JLGYcfH9bEcq3f8Xyhg46BJQv8F3uiyMz6+77aL7jICApjnwA5aOmBZytiljtlm3AiqK8glxOoFLiUjmQg222/3+vr8gU+7WGE2FDyDPYvPg2kDllMtaITUuKnvJ1imW+VHH3MBNbSxfsgwiBmg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1315338497; bh=7UQl0+ZQMnuKGBexwahw1JUJjKdT4HwJXE/agLLYJIg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=T5oe8nR8HAjHa1PH5VNLDwMjumCYLVlOycsev1/bZWap0nH/X+ZdcNd6V0c5ezEGtAwHvMbJaAJT59boxlAF4uzcxbCqptthzB3zICcnbapYOrILi/XHEqMKTsv2dbwSvu2ngwThZlMMQgfWF/SNUMbXI+joYPl0PiNQTK5rH9k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7B6x9OQVM1mIw2RR9Fa2KA_R7GOLYPdxR7ISoutRuNIWs6a bqtbwZTOrjLdoOCr5MTvHmzmSRkfRUWXFOEJ4uF89_uz8.bwO4nwwBsPGXXU 5O9qX5tIFb15BhFqt5AbeK6eTyCz.egM1jWLzqmQVHfAbqv.3Z5ARaRW1ky9 78R9YRAwGLBXocMNbal2amRQLVhrihxOylZf2PP1Xrq98WZA7SsB6rTVNLbR CLTZ1AwIQrqh89dLRWrcWd9PWPHKKfwxzH8aBx4aAgX1lrNUlMcQDoRTlS4C g8KtlLZHyIRb9HXT4ZK6YMdatOwOxYIoIHZ15tNX0O_uz6GYrZ8_HP.Bk0Ak lcvTuvq60yHnmGFD9l0hW3IoGnNwVFXaJ5.LGxNT6nnRsJJj7rYjwstBXlDD PvifuiMqbAdbzDsihsw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.30.230 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Sep 2011 19:48:17 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <8E521D9BC6FA41FF801372D1EF8145C9@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Curious local QRM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472355040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m234.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844e6679784bdc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear LF Group, While doing some tests with 136kHz ferrite rod antennas recently, I had noticed a problem with some local wideband "mush" QRM. In some locations in my garden this was 30dB or more over the band noise level. Moving the RX antenna a few metres made a big difference to the QRM level, so the source was obviously very local, and so this evening I decided to track it down. I used one of my small loop antennas with a long coax extension lead going back to the shack, and a pair of wireless headphones so that I could listen to the QRM level on the RX in the shack as I moved the antenna around. Pretty quickly, I was able to localise the source to a shed in my garden that I use to store larger "junk box" items, but there are no power or other electrical connections to the shed, so what could be making the QRM was a mystery. After emptying out half the shed contents, the QRM source turned out to be another, experimental, loop antenna that I made some years ago. This was a 1m^2 loop with a broadband preamp fed via a step-up transformer. The local MF broadcast stations produce enough field strength to induce a few volts EMF at the un-powered preamp input, where rectification and intermodulation occurs. Since there are 4 modulated broadcast signals, the result is a wide ,almost uniform spectrum of noise, some of which is re-radiated by the loop. Turning the broadband loop at right angles to the broadcast stations restored peace and quiet! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU