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Content preview: R Bob Used mins upto 1 hour , could of been named Op65 or OP1H , same thing G, From: Bob Raide Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b266e01efe570cc7cc73d9fd75b218c3 Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CF04D3.3C1BF730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3181 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CF04D3.3C1BF730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Bob Used mins upto 1 hour , could of been named Op65 or OP1H , = same thing=20 G, From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab The OP1H is essentially OP65? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:54:36 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab Slip of the keys Bob, =20 OP64 ~~ 1 Hour =20 OP1 =3D 60 seconds=20 Op4H 4 hours , is the 8KHz version , uses the sound card as = SDR , but at 8KHz .so to use on other bands , the keying is = ok from the com-port ..but the rx audio needs to be shifted upto = 8K ..........if the rx has a wide bfo [ ppl locked] like the = ra6790 then I can set pass band 2.4k Hz , cw and off set the = bfo + dial to get 8K audio But with normal Rx , then , needs software up convertor , SL will = do this .........going to need to be a little stable over the rf = path as op4H is 4x less able to track drift as is op64 . but = that should not be a problem =20 Its worth a try for the other TX stations , if can the get a TA = decode ?=20 73 -G,=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:27 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab G; What is the OP1 and 4H modes? Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:56:01 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab Thanks Wolf, With the 8K signals out side the Op decoder , some users wanted = to monitor the test , but needed a way of changing the qrg = slightly to match , The other thing , that occurred to me , was the other 75 K = stations , may have a TA chance using Op4H , +6 dB gain over op1H = in the 'window' time , may be 1 run or 2 max ? ... recovering = the 8K audio may be a problem , my ra6790gm has a locked bfo = range of +/- 19KHz or so , but , for normal ssb-rx , then a = shift up from 1500 would be needed [ may even catch Bob on 4H = hihi] 73-G,=20 From: wolf_dl4yhf=20 Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum Lab Hello Graham, Am 29.12.2013 14:04, schrieb Graham: Wolf, Q How to configure SL as audio frequency changer ? =20 say 1500 Hz to 8 KHz , or , 8100 to 8200 etc=20 how is the set up ?=20 The easiest way is using the 'narrowband filter', which can also shift = frequencies.=20 Start by selecting 'Quick Settings' in the menu, then 'Other amateur = radio modes', 'Narrow CW filter with adjustable xyz'. You can see the = filter's passband on the main frequency scale, along with the 'zero = beat' indicator similar to a web sdr. Grab the passband widh the mouse = and move it to the 'source' frequency range. Alternatively, enter the = frequency shift in numeric form on the filter control panel. Details: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/filters.htm#filter_controls_on_main_fre= q_scale will SL appeared as a sound source ? It can, but unfortunately only as an ASIO device. Microsoft's = ever-changing driver model is so utterly complex that I gave up writing = my own 'multimedia driver'. Also I didn't feel like re-inventing the = wheel for XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, and whatever-comes-next... :o) Thus = the easiest (??) method would be to use Virtual Audio Cable. The more complex (but VAC-less) way, if ASIO is supported by the = audio-receiving application, is decribed in the 'Audio I/O' manual: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/AudioIO/AudioIO_Manual.pdf The relevant chapter would be "Installation of in_AudioIO.dll as an ASIO = device". Now back to the soldering iron.. 73, Wolf . ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CF04D3.3C1BF730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Bob  Used = mins =20 upto  1 hour , could  of been  named  Op65 or =20 OP1H  , same  thing
 
G,

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum = Lab

The OP1H is essentially OP65?
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:54:36 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal = generation in Spectrum Lab

Slip of the  = keys Bob,  
 
  OP64  ~~  1 Hour  =
 
OP1  =3D 60 seconds
 
Op4H   4  hours  , is = the =20 8KHz  version  ,  uses the  sound  card  = as =20 SDR , but at   8KHz  .so  to  use  = on =20 other  bands  , the  keying  is ok from the =20 com-port  ..but the  rx audio  needs  to  = be =20 shifted  upto   8K  ..........if the  rx  = has=20 a  wide  bfo [ ppl locked]  like the  ra6790 =20 then  I can  set  pass  band  2.4k Hz  , = cw =20 and off set the  bfo  + dial  to  get  8K=20 audio
 
But  with  normal  Rx , = then  ,=20 needs  software  up convertor , SL will  do  = this =20 .........going  to need  to  be a little  = stable  over=20 the  rf  path  as  op4H is   4x less able = to =20 track  drift  as  is  op64  . but  = that =20 should  not  be a  problem 
 
Its  worth  a  try  for = the =20 other TX stations , if can the get a  TA decode ? =
 
73 -G,

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum = Lab

G;
What is the OP1 and 4H modes?  = Bob
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:56:01 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal = generation in Spectrum Lab

Thanks Wolf,
 
With the 8K signals  out side  the  Op decoder  = ,=20 some  users  wanted  to  monitor the  = test  ,=20 but  needed  a  way of  changing the  qrg  = slightly to  match ,
 
The  other  thing , that  occurred  to  me =  ,=20 was  the  other 75 K stations  , may have a  TA = chance =20 using  Op4H , +6 dB gain over op1H   in the =20 'window'  time ,  may be  1  run or  2  = max =20 ? ... recovering  the  8K audio  may  be a  = problem=20 ,  my  ra6790gm   has a  locked bfo  = range =20 of  +/-  19KHz or  so  , but  , for  = normal =20 ssb-rx  , then  a  shift  up from  1500  = would=20 be  needed [ may even  catch Bob  on 4H  hihi]
 
73-G,
 

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter / signal generation in Spectrum = Lab

Hello Graham,

Am 29.12.2013 = 14:04, schrieb=20 Graham:
Wolf,
 
Q How to  configure  SL  as audio=20  frequency   changer ?  
 
say   1500 Hz to  8 KHz , or , 8100 to =20 8200   etc
 
how is the  set  up  ? =

The=20 easiest way is using the 'narrowband filter', which can also shift = frequencies.=20
Start by selecting 'Quick Settings' in the menu, then 'Other amateur = radio=20 modes', 'Narrow CW filter with adjustable xyz'. You can see the filter's = passband on the main frequency scale, along with the 'zero beat' = indicator=20 similar to a web sdr. Grab the passband widh the mouse and move it to = the=20 'source' frequency range. Alternatively, enter the frequency shift in = numeric=20 form on the filter control panel. Details:

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/filters.htm#filter_cont= rols_on_main_freq_scale


 
 
will SL  appeared as a  sound  source =20 ?
It can, but unfortunately only as an ASIO device.=20 Microsoft's ever-changing driver model is so utterly complex that I gave = up=20 writing my own 'multimedia driver'. Also I didn't feel like re-inventing = the=20 wheel for XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, and whatever-comes-next...  = :o)  Thus=20 the easiest (??) method would be to use Virtual Audio Cable.

The = more=20 complex (but VAC-less) way, if ASIO is supported by the audio-receiving=20 application, is decribed in the 'Audio I/O' manual:

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/AudioIO/AudioIO_Manual.pdf<= BR>
The=20 relevant chapter would be "Installation of in_AudioIO.dll as an ASIO=20 device".



Now back to the soldering = iron..

73,  Wolf=20 .


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