Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF052-97347cfd73b1de; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:36:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF081-97347cfd73b1de; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:36:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JXENq-0006r5-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JXENq-0006qw-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JXENm-00015y-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so4609074ugf.13 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:35:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=8KSXfQC4C8xu4aTD5frCCbGbyEk6eiSvLA3CfLCzkJ4=; b=IUwdDaWt6pjTUVDtmk4HiwgSXMv7DjGuWlAhLAMD3OkNuvJ636v9y0COYHPwVUWAwBO4+de1smGeqLnLISeeQ1FZ1nuGpcObIqXtCBL38dUI9JEu42kRLSKDCEPVhSt6j+6piBg1s/Dnfjm789DlO1JoHtWFZQF5obfZ40estjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=c91ivGoxZehv73dHXJ4AFMxAhx64PbD3jvD8baMMzt3Xvddm9sHq4kquSiN8/hBdADmr1L80JGycmDCjuR2K57I+KJsPck7oc4NZsQCGD10Ybc3qvDsQlFAkh7UXsGXJZcYo2p1TPS2/D/x8ApNDOhu5RUxw9nf+KsiFZpGmw0c= Received: by 10.78.195.10 with SMTP id s10mr10015370huf.10.1204803309643; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.206.10 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:35:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88d2415e0803060335l28664460w89817940b396c7ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:35:09 +0000 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TA on 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19014_25917363.1204803309616" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------=_Part_19014_25917363.1204803309616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Paul, Apart from any "ASPERGER" problem, your comments re. Ant. design are very interesting. In the 73/136 days, getting ground losses down so that one could approach 1W erp with anything less than 1000W, Tx power dictated as much top wire as possible (in fact I needed 600ft and then could only manage 150mW on 73kHz). So the dice was loaded in favour of those of us fortunate enough to be able to put up such large arrays. On 500kHz however its a much more level playing field. 1W can be obtained with much less Tx power and more modest Ant.arrays. Modelling wilh Eznec shows that a top wire of equal length to the vert. section results in optimum if not max. radiation resistance and manageable ground loss. But more importantly as you say the elevation plot shows a considerable null in the vertical plane (up to 30db) whereas my large array is only 6db down in the vertical , so a lot of energy going straight up ! Thanks for pointing this out, no doubt other stations boasting very large arrays will take note. 73 Laurie. ------=_Part_19014_25917363.1204803309616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Paul,
Apart from any "ASPERGER" problem, your comments re. Ant. design are very interesting.
In the 73/136 days, getting ground losses down so that one could approach 1W erp with anything
less than 1000W, Tx power dictated as much top wire as possible (in fact I needed 600ft and then
could only manage 150mW on 73kHz). So the dice was loaded in favour of those of us fortunate
enough to be able to put up such large arrays. On 500kHz however its a much more level playing field.
1W can be obtained with much less Tx power and more modest Ant.arrays. Modelling wilh Eznec
shows that a top wire of equal length to the vert. section results in optimum if not max. radiation
resistance and manageable ground loss. But more importantly as you say the elevation plot shows
a considerable null in the vertical plane (up to 30db) whereas my large array is only 6db down in the
vertical , so a lot of energy going straight up !
Thanks for pointing this out, no doubt other stations boasting very large arrays will take note.
73 Laurie.  
 
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