Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ab3479752a9124; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:44:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB031-ab3479752a9124; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:43:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JHgok-0002C6-Oc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:43:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JHgok-0002Bx-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:43:06 +0000 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JHgof-0005uU-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:43:04 +0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so800765nfb.44 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:42:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qUFyWQKBbkWT2c9iAuJ2WnJIXSRu+kheDsgjZUrKowc=; b=VdQXAb8GY+aBRHIK7ya7sLpVS4gl9diVlp1MwfPwyHupX2ZHvXni3DtoZPUojaCM0aFZm7RLF8P1OedymsOA0DHViIGEml/4rdgeY/gv6teV03RQ7/AUAhRIwCX4r9uWtEcejXC/OPRIU7Ab5IEDm46ZqQ7zyQlyClUhViLiCak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UgqOCXOvBalV7qnPgpuyQiPNeaoat1E6VzNdyDgy03X2tsXeIYcLuhJXuNzopMVWHsTJ5di6B44G8n/iHhAmyWDzdyt0kzNvPpC+axZzBuAvBCQhIwDc9rWzaocAb5vizZ7ljumydVVKm472TB3tUmPFbQEq7PxgzBVtOcshmzQ= Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr13312596huf.34.1201099378558; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.205.4 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:42:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88d2415e0801230642s10ddc9b4y42f0a56cd9dd3020@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:42:58 +0000 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Low long wires Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19443_11867429.1201099378553" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d025.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM = 1 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------=_Part_19443_11867429.1201099378553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I tried a beverage here on 80 M (about 600ft long) and found it quite directional and low noise, by the way it was only 1m high and went mainly through dense shrubs and trees,over clay soil. I tried a second one on the sea shore only a few feet from salt water and it was very poor directionally. Beverage theory seems to require lossy ground under the ant. 73 Laurie. On 23/01/2008, Laurence KL1X wrote: > > > > "Does anyone else have experience against open space wires .v. in wooded > areas? "...I should have said for the beverage or similar array only. > > thanks > Laurence > Singapore > > > > ________________________________ > > From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:04:25 -0900 > Subject: LF: Low long wires > > > > > Ive only had partial success in low long wires up in Alaska - but my s/n > failure was due to a 33Kv or more power line running parallel underground > just a few feet below the array for most of the way - that and the variable > speed drives from the local water pumping station which the power cable > supplied. > > Im going to put "down" or it is "up" a couple in a heavily birch wooded > area in Alaska above moose antler height and they will be insulated off but > supported by the trees. Ive just gained another painful acre so will have > wires up to 100m in length or so - I have silt sand and ground water at > around 12 feet in depth close in by a freshish water (ice at the moment) > lake. > > So - question what effect will the trees have decoupling LF signals in > this type of medium (?) Z array given the travelling wave aspect? Does > anyone else have experience against open space wires .v. in wooded > areas? On the TX side I see this without a lot of clearing as another > large TX loop experience - just too many tall decoupling signal Birch for > verticals at the moment. > > Laurence > > > ________________________________ > > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. Play now! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > ------=_Part_19443_11867429.1201099378553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I tried a beverage here on 80 M (about 600ft long) and found it quite directional and low noise,
by the way it was only 1m high and went mainly through dense shrubs and trees,over clay soil.
I tried a second one on the sea shore only a few feet from salt water and it was very poor directionally.
Beverage theory seems to require  lossy ground under the ant.
73 Laurie.

On 23/01/2008, Laurence KL1X < hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Does anyone else have experience against open space wires .v. in wooded areas? "...I should have said for the beverage or similar array only.

thanks
Laurence
Singapore



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From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:04:25 -0900
Subject: LF: Low long wires




Ive only had partial success in low long wires up in Alaska - but my s/n failure was due to a 33Kv or more power line running parallel underground just a few feet below the array for most of the way - that and the variable speed drives from the local water pumping station which the power cable supplied.

Im going to put "down" or it is "up" a couple in a heavily birch wooded area in Alaska above moose antler height and they will be insulated off but supported by the trees. Ive just gained another painful acre so will have wires up to 100m in length or so - I have silt sand and ground water at around 12 feet in depth close in by a freshish water (ice at the moment) lake.

So - question what effect will the trees have decoupling LF signals in this type of medium (?) Z array given the travelling wave aspect? Does anyone else have experience against open space wires .v. in wooded areas?  On the TX side I see this without a lot of  clearing as another large TX loop experience - just too many tall decoupling signal Birch for verticals at the moment.

Laurence


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