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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Dave 'YMC and Dex for this hint. Yes searching a group does work. My fault, I had obviously overlooked the obvious button ;-( Mike, neo is indeed very slow on my netbook with IE8, and slightly better on this machine running IE9. Couldn't convince myself to migrate to Chrome yet. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.252.208 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 070d9ab39265047b7fb462cd62854f10 Subject: LF: Re: Yahoo "neo" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF2A61.1634FF40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF2A61.1634FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dave 'YMC and Dex for this hint. Yes searching a group does work. = My fault, I had obviously overlooked the obvious button ;-( Mike, neo is indeed very slow on my netbook with IE8, and slightly = better on this machine running IE9. Couldn't convince myself to migrate = to Chrome yet. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX Today at 14:54 http://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/searching-messages-sln2471.html From: Mike Dennison=20 To: Markus Vester=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Yahoo "neo" Markus, The 'neo' format has been rolled out gradually and some of us have had = it for a while. I found it difficut to adjust to, but all of the = facilities are still there if you look. One problem I did find was that = the newest version of Internet Explorer supported by Win XP was IE8 and = that did not work well with 'neo'. Running Google Chrome on XP worked = much better. Mike, G3XDV=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: LF: Yahoo "neo" It looks like the web interface of the Yahoo rsgb_lf_group has finally = been "upgraded" to the "neo" format, like most other groups before. I = have to say I am not very happy about this. When we discussed migrating from Blacksheep to Yahoo a couple of years = ago, I was very much attracted by the fact that the web interface = offered a searchable archive of past messages. It found it very useful = to be able to access and link to older contributions, gradually building = up a knowledge base, which could be extremely valuable both for = newcomers and experienced experts. With "neo", even though it is still possible to access a known message = number, there no longer seems to be a function to search and browse past = messages effectively. By scrolling to the bottom of the current messages = page, older messages are being downloaded in groups of 30, but even on a = fast internet connection it just takes ages to go back more than a = couple of weeks. Using the "view" icon one can in principle look at past = months, but again a targetted search for authors and contents is not = doable. I didn't even manage generate a list of my own messages. Last = not least, the screen layout is slow and overloaded with titlebars and = sidebars, leaving little room for content. Maybe I would need an even = newer enhanced browser, or download the latest flashplayer ad-serving = gadgets? At this stage, I honestly do no longer see any reason to prefer the = Yahoo service from the venerable Blacksheep email group. What I would = really like to have is a simple archive, similar to eg. the time-nuts = group http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts - is this too much to ask = in today's world? 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Thanks Dave 'YMC and Dex for this hint. Yes searching a = group does=20 work. My fault, I had obviously overlooked the obvious button = ;-(
 
Mike, neo = is indeed=20 very slow on my netbook with IE8, and slightly better on this=20 machine running IE9. Couldn't convince myself to migrate to = Chrome=20 yet.
 
Best = 73,
Markus=20 (DF6NM)
 
 
From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX
Today at=20 14:54
http://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/searching-messages-= sln2471.html
From: Mike=20 Dennison
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Yahoo "neo"

Markus,

The 'neo' format has been rolled out = gradually and=20 some of us have had it for a while. I found it difficut to adjust to, = but all of=20 the facilities are still there if you look. One problem I did find was = that the=20 newest version of Internet Explorer supported by Win XP was IE8 and that = did not=20 work well with 'neo'. Running Google Chrome on XP worked much=20 better.

Mike, G3XDV
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Markus = Vester=20
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: LF: Yahoo "neo"

It looks like the web interface of the = Yahoo=20 rsgb_lf_group has finally been "upgraded" to the "neo" = format,=20 like most other groups before. I have to say I am not very happy about=20 this.
 
When we discussed migrating from = Blacksheep to=20 Yahoo a couple of years ago, I was very much attracted by the fact that = the web=20 interface offered a searchable archive of past messages. It found = it very=20 useful to be able to access and link to older contributions, = gradually=20 building up a knowledge base, which could be = extremely valuable both=20 for newcomers and experienced experts.
 
With "neo", even though it = is still possible=20 to access a known message number, there no longer = seems to be a=20 function to search and browse past messages effectively. By = scrolling to=20 the bottom of the current messages page, older messages are being=20 downloaded in groups of 30, but even on a fast internet = connection=20 it just takes ages to go back more than a couple of = weeks. Using=20 the "view" icon one can in principle look at past months, but again = a=20 targetted search for authors and contents is not doable. I didn't=20 even manage generate a list of my own messages. Last not least, the = screen=20 layout is slow and overloaded with titlebars and sidebars, leaving = little=20 room for content. Maybe I would need an even newer enhanced = browser,=20 or download the latest flashplayer ad-serving gadgets?
 
At this stage, I=20 honestly do no longer see any reason to prefer the Yahoo service from = the=20 venerable Blacksheep email group. What I would really like to have = is a=20 simple archive, similar to eg. the time-nuts group http://www.febo.com/pipe= rmail/time-nuts -=20 is this too much to ask in today's world?
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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