Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v128.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMF053-8beb4bbb52001e2; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:23:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C959E38000158; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NzAbc-0000q7-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:22:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NzAbb-0000py-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:22:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out26.alice.it ([85.33.2.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAbY-0004ay-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:22:19 +0100 Received: from FBCMMO05.fbc.local ([192.168.184.136]) by smtp-out26.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:22:10 +0200 Received: from FBCMST18V01.fbc.local ([192.168.178.95]) by FBCMMO05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:22:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-originating-ip: 151.99.187.181 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:22:03 +0200 Message-ID: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C05394@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C05394@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> Thread-Topic: Re: R: To Stefan/DK7FC Re: AW: E-field probe antennas for dreamers band? thread-index: AcrVl/cZMc2lpokZQnaiuxqTTM/AbgAAu+AG References: <001c01cad439$aa7aa830$0101a8c0@amd4800> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1BD5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <003801cad57e$a13410e0$0101a8c0@amd4800> <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C05393@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> <002301cad597$6b32cdb0$0101a8c0@amd4800> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2010 15:22:04.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[E964EB00:01CAD59C] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAD59C.E9127E08" Subject: LF: R: Re: R: To Stefan/DK7FC Re: AW: E-field probe antennas for dreamers band? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/57131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814bbb51fc0ef7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD59C.E9127E08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi George, no (unfortunately). I'm more or less in the same condition as yours (apart= for skills, as you looks much more an experienced OM than me, clumsy VLF= listener :-)). Currently I'm using this one: http://www.vlf.it/easyloop/_easyloop.htm. Ne= vertheless I'm interested in any possible improvement, targeting noise red= uction of course. It looks like the M0BMU's 9KHz bandpass filter could be added also to exis= ting implementations. Thank you for having remarked it. Cheers Danieel =20 ________________________________ Da: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org per conto di George Vastianos Inviato: mar 06/04/2010 16.42 A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Oggetto: LF: Re: R: To Stefan/DK7FC Re: AW: E-field probe antennas for dre= amers band? yes! do you have any experiences with this design? 73 sv8gxc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: LF: R: To Stefan/DK7FC Re: AW: E-field probe antennas for dreamer= s band? Hi George, in your post you mentioned a Jim Moritz's design for 9KHz reception. Is it the "9kHz RECEIVING EQUIPMENT" discussed at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/10khz? Cheers Daniele ________________________________ Da: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org per conto di George Vastianos Inviato: mar 06/04/2010 13.45 A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Oggetto: LF: To Stefan/DK7FC Re: AW: E-field probe antennas for dreamers band? Hello Stefan Thanks! It is true that SV land is not active on 136khz even that we got this band on 4/2006... First of all congratulations for your achievements= on dreamers band!!! I got informed about your work on 9khz from G3XBM's blog that is my favourite blog (it is my source for inspiration, i check it eve= ry day and iam big fan of him - even that i never got in contact with him and dont know him in person) I have a "kind" of interest in LF and i say "kind" because my only work on LF was an upconverter i constracted many years ago with an SA602 to receiv= e SAQ on 10MHz... thats all. I have restrictions in space on my main QTH in Athens something that makes my operation difficult on wavelegths 80m and below... BTW the work i see from you, G3XBM (on 500khz), M0BMU and others make me to cheer up and drea= m that maybe i can do at least "something" on VLF/LF. After the last post of G3XBM about your last activation on 9khz..I subscribded to the reflector= to receive more info about what you did and what was the longest dx. My locator is KM17UW and i think that our distance from your portable location must be something close to 1750kms Until now Iam reading about E-field and H-field antennas and Iam planning= to build one probe and one loop... from all the things I found I think for (9 khz) the most interesting H-field antenna is the loop with the 9khz bandpa= ss of M0BMU and the E-field is the ADA, AN ACTIVE DIFFERENTIAL ANTENNA FOR 5Hz - 500 Khz By I1RFQ where i've done already the calculations in order= to build an e-field dipole for VLF only freq. 3+ Khz. So I plan and hope to construct soon these two antennas for 9KHz reception= . After that my next step is to make a loop for 136KHz based on papers of M0BMU and try receive LF signals on 136khz. In greece we have a strong QRM source very close to LF band that belongs to the Greek Navy (RTTY)...Iam sure all of you who are active on this band know what iam talking about...= so this QRM makes difficult for me be active since it is not more than 100km far from me... So at first I will try to become an LF SWL.. About the 9KHz the greek laws leave open the activities below 9khz with th= e only point to not produce QRM to the services above 9khz... this gives me= an oportunity to make some experiments on this frequency using narrowband techniques with low power and "ground antennas" on the transmitter side...like G3XBM All these things are in my "wish" list.. and I must do actions instead of wishes. So I'll start to build RX antennas for 9KHz and i'll see what will come next It would be nice to have a QSO with you but i think on these frequencies= the only option would be cross band.. me on HF and you on LF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION: YES MY WISH IS TO START RECEIVING LF/VLF AND GET YOUR SIGNALS AND I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT REALITY KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I will keep you informed on what iam doing 73 sv8gxc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:59 PM Subject: LF: AW: E-field probe antennas for dreamers band? Hello George! I was astonished as i saw your callsign there. You are the first station from greece that i saw here on the reflector! :-) I would be glad to do a QSO with you on 137kHz if you are QRV. Not because i am a "DX-hunter" but rather because greece does fascinate me (although i probably do not know very much of it). What is your Locator and do you plan to receive on LF/VLF? :-) vy 73 and all the best! Stefan/DK7FC PS: sri, cannot answer your question ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von George Vastianos Gesendet: So 04.04.2010 22:59 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: E-field probe antennas for dreamers band? hello Does anyone who received DK7FC's signals was using e-field probe antennas like BBB-4???? 73 sv8gxc --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2791 - Release Date: 04/04/10 21:32:00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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