Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sAUL9Dp1032573 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:09:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1XvBef-0001Eu-3g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1XvBee-0001Ee-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:40 +0000 Received: from rgout0504.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XvBec-00042a-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:39 +0000 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090202.547B8628.0090,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=40/50,refid=2.7.2:2014.11.30.185720:17:40.131,ip=86.145.209.78,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __PHISH_SPEAR_SUBJECT, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_3000_3999, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __STYLE_RATWARE_NEG, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[78.209.145.86.fur], HTML_50_70, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, REFERENCES X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.145.209.78) by rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 5476DDC80071A410 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:03:36 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1417381418; bh=eC2DXryTc4eTHY0WtB5u0DykInjObA0kO6QpTcHVY/0=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=gR82HQ9ZVkKk9zBwbkQ/3znUx16oVotxkLnS7OR/JfZ/xyCZUIV2dW4NrQFD+hGiVG4YJh/Pt+6gKD4WcLp9UwLtd765K2JXN1Euq6BwuQNDe/rIuY2cTDaVMWTbd205U6r05uRGlAfrQ1WudbVm77W9bijh8L2XHCVUZeMgVDo= Message-ID: <84AD63370E1F4DCA8227B7C6918C9ABD@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <7E54EB21CA344DBDA77B6DC52EC2E9A3@AGB> <9C706A25855346A38B694CE671EBE902@AGB> <39D1FCFE0CBE47008474721D80A1603A@gnat> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:35:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: Re: LF: Alert CFS NDB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01D00CDD.2EABC860" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1345 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01D00CDD.2EABC860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roelof Bakker=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: Alert CFS NDB Hello Alan, Thank you for the information. That implies at least two hops and the second reflection point in full = daylight. However, at this time of the year "full daylight" is something = different than in June. I gather that in December/January the density of the D-layer is less = than in June. There is also daytime reception, up to the daily solstice of the sun, = over a much longer path than 4000 km. YQ-305, Churchil, Canada Manitoba, is about 5700 km away and YEK-329, = Arivat/Eskimo Point, Canada, Nunavit 5500 km. This should be all multi-hop propagation. 73, Roelof, PA0RDT ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01D00CDD.2EABC860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable body { font-family:'Times New Roman'; = font-size:13px} body { font-family:'Times New Roman'; = font-size:13px}
 
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From:=20 Roelof=20 Bakker
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 = 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Alert CFS = NDB

Hello Alan,

Thank you for the information.
That implies at least two hops and the second reflection point in = full=20 daylight.
However, at this time of the year "full daylight" is something = different=20 than in June.
I gather that in December/January the density of the D-layer is = less than=20 in June.

There is also daytime reception, up to the daily solstice of the = sun,=20 over a much longer path than 4000 km.
YQ-305, Churchil, Canada Manitoba, is about 5700 km away and = YEK-329,=20 Arivat/Eskimo Point, Canada, Nunavit 5500 km.
This should be all multi-hop propagation.

73,
Roelof, PA0RDT 
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