Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-85eb4c9a8acf27c; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:01:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E682A380000AA; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OyYHv-0005a8-9P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:59:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OyYHk-0005Zz-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:59:32 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.248]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OyYHk-0008Hn-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:59:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 75049 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2010 22:59:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fKZZ5t9T2EReoWuNuF4mi0JaDo8tCfJrgtOVxKfZamg45e5eQJb6L1s01wQ2Ruj8rYSe/71fC0KSqIw/4oJzpfXHr6Fjfuy4V1Sc11FXqWtqjvBNFQ0FJfqTWjb9/yDjFYNAzu4AZB2q62z/jh+dJd6N9wv/nTZ5CTu5u0m4rh0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1285196366; bh=w1c/aBbTVzny/yU8M30cy4vGCbUXuUVO9polGuDNPlg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PfkpIWZ8ym/3OFbeLT0ULPXHSw1DcEBOuxcxSiD0Ye+1z6LFvYhI6KDcoa1DN5V3QX/PwVKy1b3PSUE5sGTmhWna9PmFZlu5KWGyUP/xIVM/HrFRLwruqY7Tv2997BVuLdrSdfsoSLvMphSKhHQzq+OfnRUX12KUU7YvwvaBY5o= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.31.94 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2010 22:59:26 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: Apn4ZuEVM1liNnh3RjMtR8m83vbtm_1Mw3lNE1ryk5aHWdH KAqCRs7BSvV4uuXO9VkLh4Hv6djEVxYBfN8cn3NOZ8.tNEW9ZCPbyv.lY9gc EsjR9mK7yIuF5ZWhxIonlAggTMhLJ1wkpMzJhE8xe3QiIlzR1K29eYhfQP_a hNNk.stZNzK3_NiMmFP9mOzmiPjuFuPkQPUi_E4r0hcAXPF3IBh35Hh_VJgp kmLyo63UC0cB95Xz.LYD3ykgSqudh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <83C816123DA149C795C7363CC6BB4B48@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000c01cb5a7a$44cfcc50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4C1A271605FB0B62@smtp208.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it) In-Reply-To: <4C1A271605FB0B62@smtp208.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:59:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA0RDT miniwhip in TX? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400cdecb4c9a8acd2cc1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Marco, Roelof, LF Group, I suppose what you have to consider is what will happen to the JFET when a high EMF is induced on the whip due to the nearby TX antenna. Certainly, one could expect more than 25V, so reverse breakdown of the gate-channel junction would occur. But this does not in itself cause damage, the junction is just acting like a zener or avalanche diode, and when the high voltage is removed it will return to normal. What would cause damage is if the power dissipation (V*I) in the junction was high. If we assume a whip capacitance of say 3pF, its reactance at 136k would be about 400kohm. Even if the TX antenna induced 1kV EMF on the whip element, the current would then only be about 1kV/400kohm = 2.5mA. So if the breakdown voltage of the gate junction was a few tens of volts, power dissipation of the order of 10s of milliwatts could be expected, which probably is not enough to excessively heat a J310. At 500k, the reactance of the whip would be lower, but the TX antenna voltage and induced EMF would be lower also, so the current would stay at a similar level. So if the whip element is very small and therefore high impedance, the JFET will indeed be very difficult to damage. If the JFET gate is connected to bigger, lower source impedance antenna elements, protection diodes etc. would probably be a good idea. This would not be true for a MOSFET preamp - in that case, excessive gate voltage would puncture the gate oxide and permanently destroy the FET. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU