Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4C709380000A5; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1U76EW-00044n-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:32:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1U76EW-00044e-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:32:52 +0000 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U76ET-0004BR-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:32:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 789941C000057 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (188-194-147-156-dynip.superkabel.de [188.194.147.156]) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 79605E00009A for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:32:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <834A74EAB6D145DC8D7FA57CE8255C6D@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <2282795.WEYH53gDWV@fbox.localdomain> <0739D17A209E4085947C84C3590A8B5F@F6CNIHP> <511FFC06.3090906@psk31.plus.com> <5120DE82.3010803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <72C8F03AA00F4EC99946FDBD71C7E735@AGB> In-Reply-To: <72C8F03AA00F4EC99946FDBD71C7E735@AGB> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1361115147; bh=Iqz+Dps8waJqKGFD0K21ffF+JCTZuZCgdLRjQoV/dZo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=URLEWXhjQk0mcpcAPidH5cgc/cTky/I2tqux03BOfBinwFk+5Gwt34N7bJM6bqniu /bq9D+1+8tIqFbKyo6JKCSipBTv0MTXwEcAra9fz2hwfgmiV9qug6H7PdawyXiEuau TgEVjvKmb5LvKas/SRnJzFP6dwZXBK+6nQDbpBuI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403791296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, > [ q is wspr still using the 2 frame's or single ? ] Normally single frames, with four character locators sent over the air. Dual frames can be used optionally for composite callsigns or six digit locators. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: fdb4503b0b8e76bf4559744a4a5663fa Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01CE0D2C.5B6D87B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d5120f8663c61 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CE0D2C.5B6D87B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham, > [ q is wspr still using the 2 frame's or single ? ] =20 Normally single frames, with four character locators sent over the air. = Dual frames can be used optionally for composite callsigns or six digit = locators. > No chance to send qrssss or use data to write 'I have 2 cats'=20 Well that one is no more than 13 characters, so you could convey it in = the same time frame using JT9. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Exactly so Stefan Qrsss would of only been a trace in the sand (of Mr Wolfs very = good SL)=20 No chance to send qrssss or use data to write 'I have 2 cats' =20 But a beacon has decoded in 120 seconds , don't forget , not all = of wspr needs to be decoded to get a result , you only need 1 = sync point . [ q is wspr still using the 2 frame's or single ? = ] =20 It was all over in a 'flash' : ) Even allowing for the possibility of a false decode , with the = time correlation , I would say , that is a confirmed decode , at = double the range of Gu's sm6bhz, China decode some time back , = which I think was also a 'single' decode , at the time he was = running 100% tx cycle ,=20 160 in the last 2 weeks shows 2 spots=20 2013-02-13 18:58 VK1CH 1.838155 -29 0 QF44mp 5 = DF1OE JO42wi 16304 313 =20 2013-02-13 19:32 VK1CH 1.838156 -26 0 QF44mp 5 = DF1OE JO42wi 16304 313 =20 Outstanding results Dale and Andy=20 Hard act to follow ! =20 73 -G.. From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Dale Hughes=20 Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Andy, Dale, MF,=20 First i want to express my congratulations to this most impressing = achievement! It is certainly VERY encouraging for the other WSPR = transmitting stations to try what seems to be impossible. BTW i want to remember what was written here last tuesday: Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20 [...] =20 no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? G.. Your results demonstrate once again that it is always worth to try what = seems to be impossible! :-) Am 17.02.2013 13:08, schrieb Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9:=20 What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For = this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too short = for that use ? Well first it would be interesting to get some informatiuons about = Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 decoded, then QRSS-10 should be = possible as well.=20 WSPR-15 may take to long, the opening times are quite short, as you say. = But anyway, this opens a new field for experiments. Of course it is = worth to transmit during the time that path is open! And it is good that = the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different to ours, so we already have = splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and VK. Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid = that. Why not? If you say that you didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and = got a decode. Where should the information in the WSPR window come from, = if not trough the RF radiated in VK?=20 Again, my best congratulations to this impressing result!! 73, Stefan7DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CE0D2C.5B6D87B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Graham,
 
> [ q=20 is  wspr  still  using the  2  frame's  = or =20 single  ? ] 
Normally single frames, with four character locators sent over the=20 air. Dual frames can be used optionally for = composite=20 callsigns or six digit locators.
 
> No chance to  send  qrssss  or  use data = to =20 write   'I have 2 cats' 
Well that one is no more than 13 characters, so you = could convey=20 it in the same time frame using JT9.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Graham=20
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on=20 630m

Exactly so Stefan
 
Qrsss   would  of only  been a  = trace  in=20 the  sand (of  Mr Wolfs very  good  SL)
 
No chance to  send  qrssss  or  use data = to =20 write   'I have 2 cats' 
 
But a beacon has decoded  in 120  seconds  , = don't =20 forget  , not  all  of   wspr  needs  = to  be  decoded  to  get a  result , you =20 only  need 1  sync point .  [ q is  wspr  = still =20 using the  2  frame's  or  single  ? ]  =
 
It was  all  over  in a  'flash' : )
 
Even  allowing  for  the  possibility of  = a =20 false  decode , with the  time correlation  , I = would =20 say , that is  a confirmed  decode , at  double the  = range  of  Gu's sm6bhz,   China  decode  = some=20 time  back , which I think was  also  a  = 'single' =20 decode  , at the  time  he  was  running =20 100%  tx  cycle ,
 
160 in the  last 2  weeks shows 2 spots
 
 2013-02-13 18:58   VK1CH   1.838155   -29   0   QF44mp   5   DF1OE   JO42wi   16304   313 
 2013-02-13 19:32   VK1CH   1.838156   -26   0   QF44mp   5   DF1OE   JO42wi   16304   313 
 
Outstanding   results    Dale  and Andy =
 
Hard  act to  follow  ! 
 
73 -G..
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:43 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ; Dale Hughes
Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on=20 630m

Andy, Dale, MF, =

First i=20 want to express my congratulations to this most impressing achievement! = It is=20 certainly VERY encouraging for the other WSPR transmitting stations to = try what=20 seems to be impossible.

BTW i want to remember what was written = here last=20 tuesday:
Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20
[...] =20
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a = trace in=20 the  sand  ?
 
G..

Your results demonstrate once again = that it is=20 always worth to try what seems to be impossible! :-)


Am = 17.02.2013=20 13:08, schrieb Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9:=20
What about the use of long = period of=20 TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I think that the = opening=20 duration time is too short for that use=20 ?

Well first it would be = interesting=20 to get some informatiuons about Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 = decoded,=20 then QRSS-10 should be possible as well.
WSPR-15 may take to long, = the=20 opening times are quite short, as you say. But anyway, this opens a new = field=20 for experiments. Of course it is worth to transmit during the time that = path is=20 open! And it is good that the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different = to ours,=20 so we already have splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and = VK.

 

Now, as Dale said to me = in a mail,=20 one spot is not sufficient to valid=20 that.

Why not? If you say = that you=20 didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and got a decode. Where should the=20 information in the WSPR window come from, if not trough the RF radiated = in VK?=20



Again, my best congratulations to this impressing=20 result!!

73, Stefan7DK7FC
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