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Hi Stefan,
here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which should a=
lso work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old wsp=
r-8 and -32 utilities
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip
which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" program h=
as been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.
To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. T=
hen download DL4YHF's sound utilities from
http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip
and the little sleep utility
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip
The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtu=
al audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel=20
https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as th=
e WSJT-X input device.
Note that=20
- reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-1376=
00 Hz,
- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late,
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.
I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guar=
antee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd probably not=
go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which calls w=
sprd.exe directly.
Good luck,
Markus (DF6NM)
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15
Hi Markus,=20
Congrats to last nights successes!
Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and theWSPR tea=
m is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation torelease an update=
d version of your utilities that enable 64-bit usersto receive WSPR-15 usin=
g the latest WSPR-2 decoder?
73, Stefan
Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?
=20
yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script.All the=
real work is done=C2=A0by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF,which a=
re running fine as ever.=C2=A0But=C2=A0my little "waitraster.exe"=C2=A0util=
ity,which did nothing but hold the script until=C2=A0the beginning of a des=
iredminute,=C2=A0will no longer work under Win-64.
=20
Best 73,
Markus
=20
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15
=20
I am interested in this too, but if Irecall there was a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.
=20
My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the
old WSPR-X.
=20
73,
Paul
=20
=20
On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.netwrote:
> Stefan
>=20
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on anold comp=
uter that's not so easy to=20
> resurrect.
>=20
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Thinkyour time =
might be better spent on=20
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would beinteresting =
to see how far west into=20
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>=20
> Jay W1VD
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15
>=20
>=20
>> Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>>
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RXstation ) =
tried WSPR-8 and even=20
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurateFSK spacin=
g) was accelerated=20
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normalWSPR-2 decoder,=
beeing connected to the=20
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have muchimproved. So,=
it may be interesting to=20
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2decoder.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and soon?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I thinkthis is why=
my coil is resonant=20
>> there ;-)
=20
=20
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lack;"><div id=3D"yiv5674803869"><div><div style=3D"color: black; font-fami=
ly: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div id=3D"yiv567480386=
9"><div><div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if; font-size: 10pt;"><div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hi Stefan,</div><div style=3D"color: bl=
ack; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br clear=
=3D"none">here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter whic=
h should also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to t=
he old wspr-8 and -32 utilities<br clear=3D"none">http://df6nm.bplaced.net/=
wspr/slowWSPR.zip<br clear=3D"none">which also contains a description worth=
reading. The "waitraster" program has been replaced by a DOS loop based on=
the %time% variable.</div><div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br clear=3D"none">To run the atta=
ched script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. Then download DL=
4YHF's sound utilities from<br clear=3D"none">http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/sou=
ndutl/sndutl_e.zip<br clear=3D"none">and the little sleep utility<br clear=
=3D"none">http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip</div><div style=
=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10p=
t;"><br clear=3D"none">The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt =
to WSJT-X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Bu=
rel <br clear=3D"none">https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/<br clear=3D"none">Th=
is needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as the =
WSJT-X input device.</div><div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, h=
elvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br clear=3D"none">Note that <br cl=
ear=3D"none">- reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 t=
o 137400-137600 Hz,<br clear=3D"none">- reported timestamps will be 15 or 1=
6 minutes late,<br clear=3D"none">- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.</di=
v><div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt;"><br clear=3D"none">I have to admit that the script hasn't b=
een tested yet, so there is no guarantee that it will work at all. If I was=
to do this again, I'd probably not go down the speeded-up audio route, but=
rather make a script which calls wsprd.exe directly.</div><div style=3D"co=
lor: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b=
r clear=3D"none">Good luck,<br clear=3D"none">Markus (DF6NM)<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Urspr=C3=
=BCngliche Mitteilung-----<br clear=3D"none">Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@po=
steo.de><br clear=3D"none">An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org><br clear=3D"none">Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26<br clear=3D=
"none">Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div class=3D"yiv5674803869yqt1767706231" id=3D"yiv5674803869yqt76463">=
<div class=3D"yiv5674803869yqt4465690753" id=3D"yiv5674803869yqt00305"><div=
id=3D"yiv5674803869"><div>
Hi Markus, <br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Congrats to last nights successes!<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the
WSPR team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to
release an updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users
to receive WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder?<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
73, Stefan<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
<div class=3D"yiv5674803869yqt4182757243" id=3D"yiv5674803869yqt69777"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt;">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt;">> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?<br clear=3D"=
none">
<br clear=3D"none">
yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script.
All the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF,
which are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe"&nb=
sp;utility,
which did nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desired
minute, will no longer work under Win-64.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Best 73,<br clear=3D"none">
Markus<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----<br clear=3D"none">
Von: N1BUG <a class=3D"yiv5674803869moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:p=
aul@n1bug.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
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ailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
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p@blacksheep.org></a><br clear=3D"none">
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03<br clear=3D"none">
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I am interested in this too, but if I
recall there was a reason I<br clear=3D"none">
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.<br clear=3D"none=
">
<br clear=3D"none">
My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15<br clear=
=3D"none">
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were<br clea=
r=3D"none">
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the<br clear=
=3D"none">
old WSPR-X.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
73,<br clear=3D"none">
Paul<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv5674803869yqt1175646362" id=3D"yiv5674803869yqtfd41611">=
<br clear=3D"none">
On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.ne=
t">jrusgrove@comcast.net</a>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> Stefan<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an
old computer that's not so easy to <br clear=3D"none">
> resurrect.<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think
your time might be better spent on <br clear=3D"none">
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be
interesting to see how far west into <br clear=3D"none">
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .<br =
clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Jay W1VD<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> ----- Original Message ----- <br clear=3D"none">
> From: "DK7FC" <<a href=3D"mailto:selberdenken@posteo.de" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:selberdenken@post=
eo.de">selberdenken@posteo.de</a>><br clear=3D"none">
> To: <<a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>><br clear=3D"none">
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
>> Jay, LF,<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)<br clear=3D"=
none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.<br clear=
=3D"none">
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX
station ) tried WSPR-8 and even <br clear=3D"none">
>> WSPR-30 successfully.<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate
FSK spacing) was accelerated <br clear=3D"none">
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal
WSPR-2 decoder, beeing connected to the <br clear=3D"none">
>> database.<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much
improved. So, it may be interesting to <br clear=3D"none">
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2
decoder.<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so
on?<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> Worth a try?<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> 73, Stefan<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think
this is why my coil is resonant <br clear=3D"none">
>> there ;-)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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