Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61C7738000084; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Spo9s-000297-FI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:16:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Spo9r-00028y-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:16:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Spo9p-00056x-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:16:18 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.62]) by mwinf5d28 with ME id ZyGG1j0071LVyQ203yGGQ5; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:16:17 +0200 Message-ID: <8026234358FA4AF3B57CC6EB31339FC3@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EF69530CC694F89ADDC70851C979A5D@AGB> <015b01cd6139$b9f36a60$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <005a01cd6140$928d7e00$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <005a01cd6140$928d7e00$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:16:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well , I call it the E-Bay special , im not sure , which is more credible , building your own equipment or keeping this old military equipment running ! The 15 watts was set to give signals just at the limit at G0KTN, who has been decoding the 2 modes from the start, down to about 5 watts now. the amplifiers will produce full power on 500 , but with the 50% efficiency , for single carrier modes , its not very cost effective ! [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8784cdbd504ef8804d6bf58c55c77386 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CD614D.80A58680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445689824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad150009e7f1502 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CD614D.80A58680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well , I call it the E-Bay special , im not sure , which is more = credible , building your own equipment or keeping this old = military equipment running ! =20 The 15 watts was set to give signals just at the limit at = G0KTN, who has been decoding the 2 modes from the start, down = to about 5 watts now.=20 the amplifiers will produce full power on 500 , but with the 50% = efficiency , for single carrier modes , its not very cost effective = !=20 If you can translate audio to RF , the ROS MF-2 data mode will = operate down to -27 dB s/n , at 100 Hz b/w . MF-7 is about = -20 dB s/n 100 Hz b/w=20 Good luck with the new station ,=20 73 - G ..=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Compliments on your impressive setup operated extremely conservatively for linearity reasons. I hope to get on air this weekend with about 30mW ERP in CW and WSPR. Maybe I try later OPERA as well. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Yes Clemens=20 I am using m-delt4 sound card , with opera to one channel = and wspr to the other , the soundcard is mixing the two data = streams ...making a better job, than using the same sound card ... = Rf path is the racal ma1723 exciter , direct on 500 KHz , = feeding , now , qty 2 skanti solid state trp8500 250w pk o/p = class ab2 linear amps via a resistive splitter , the amps are = looking into a 5 port (1.5 kw) combiner , audio drive is set to = below agc action , or the modes change the pk power of the other=20 All this to make 15 watts per carrier ! but the system is = wide band and will work up to 30 MHz , all I do is change the = ATU ... 73 -G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:54 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz It wouild appear that if one is txing WSPR and OPERA parallel on one TX,the TX and (a possible) power amp wouild have to be linear, i.e. at least in class AB ? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz All,=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Running dual beacon , parallel Tx times ......Tx 100% duty = cycle=20 Dial set 500.000 Khz USB =20 73 - Graham G0NBD E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5129 - Ausgabedatum: = 13.07.2012=20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. 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Well  ,
 
I call  it the  E-Bay special  , im not  = sure  ,=20 which is  more  credible , building  your  = own =20 equipment or  keeping  this  old  military=20 equipment  running !  
 
The   15 watts  was set  to  give =20 signals  just at the  limit  at   G0KTN, = who  has=20 been  decoding  the  2  modes  from the =20 start,   down to  about  5 watts  now.
the  amplifiers  will  produce full  power on = 500 =20 , but  with the  50% efficiency , for  single  = carrier =20 modes , its not  very cost effective !
 
If you  can  translate   audio  to  = RF=20 ,  the  ROS MF-2 data  mode  will  = operate  =20 down to  -27  dB s/n  , at 100 Hz b/w .  = MF-7 =20 is  about   -20 dB s/n  100 Hz b/w
 
Good  luck  with the  new  station  , =
 
73 - G ..

From: Clemens Paul
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:43 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA=20 500Khz

Compliments on your impressive setup=20 operated
extremely conservatively for linearity reasons.
I hope to get on air this weekend with = about 30mW=20 ERP in CW and WSPR.
Maybe I try later OPERA as = well.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 = 11:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL = BEACON WSPR +=20 OPERA 500Khz

Yes Clemens
 
I am  using m-delt4   sound  card , = with  =20 opera  to  one  channel  and  wspr to = the  other=20 , the  soundcard is  mixing the  two  data  = streams=20 ...making a  better  job, than  using the  = same =20 sound card ...   Rf  path  is   the  = racal =20 ma1723  exciter , direct on 500  KHz , feeding   , = now=20 ,  qty 2  skanti  solid state =  trp8500  250w pk=20 o/p class  ab2  linear amps  via a  = resistive =20 splitter  , the  amps  are  looking  = into =20 a  5  port  (1.5 kw)  combiner , audio  = drive =20 is set to  below  agc action , or  the  modes = change=20 the  pk power of the  other
 
All  this  to  make   15  = watts =20 per  carrier  ! but  the  system is  = wide  band=20 and will  work  up to  30 MHz , all  I do  = is =20 change the  ATU ...
 
73 -G.
 

From: Clemens Paul
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz

It wouild appear that if one=20 is txing  WSPR and=20 OPERA parallel on one
TX,the TX and (a possible) power = amp wouild  have to be linear,
i.e. at least in class AB = ?
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 = 8:06=20 PM
Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR = + OPERA=20 500Khz

All,
 
DUAL  BEACON   WSPR + OPERA   = 500Khz
 
Running   dual  beacon  , = parallel   Tx=20 times ......Tx   100%   duty cycle
 
Dial  set   500.000  Khz  USB  =
 
73 - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 

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