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Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ?
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Ok Warren

Interesting , see  who will  be the  first  mille gallon  over the  pond ..
(Imperial  gallon  of course)

G ..

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From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:40 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ?

>
> Graham,
>
>  John and Jay summed it up very nicely.
> I'd add that my 160-190 kHz license (WE2XEB) is for cw, ssb and
> digital modes - experimental licenses have no set limits, its all what
> you can justify and get approved by the FCC.
> Part 15 deals mainly with incidental radiators - i.e. switching power
> supplies, industrial and consumer equipment which use radio
> frequencies but are not intended to radiate. The 160-190 kHz
> experimenter band is a nice add-in to those rules.
>
> Note that Jay has a very rf quiet location, I don't think I could
> receive many of the long distance 1W stations that Jay does!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:48 PM,  <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Graham
>>
>> Long distance skywave reception of 1-watt Part 5 stations isn't that 
>> unusual
>> during the winter months. While the reception of Andy's WSPR signal at 
>> 1200
>> km looks like somewhat of a feat ... it really wasn't. When Andy runs 
>> 'XR'
>> in QRSS30 his signal is 'welding goggle' (bright) copy at my location for
>> most of the night. Other distant stations routinely copied here are 'SIW' 
>> in
>> Illinois at 1200 miles and 'WEB' in Texas at 2300 km and these are all 
>> over
>> land paths. Propagation does seem to favor N-S rather than E-W 
>> directions.
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ?
>>
>>
>>> 1/4  KW ?
>>>
>>> Andy  is talking about   1  watt   dc  feed  to the  PA  and a  short Ae 
>>> ,
>>> I thought  2000  kmt was good  going for  1 watt
>>>
>>> is it the  same  band ?
>>>
>>> G..
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:08 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I occasionally put a beacon on the 180 kHz band with 250 Watts out and
>>>> have been copied in France and the Netherlands during the time each
>>>> night that Europe 1 is off.
>>>> No magic, about the same results as 137kHz except that 137 is quieter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>>>                WD2XGJ
>>>>                WD2XSH/23
>>>>                WE2XEB/2
>>>>                WE2XGR/1
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham,
>>>>> Have a listen after dark, I seem to remember it was quite horrendous
>>>>> last
>>>>> time I looked at that part of the spectrum. I will have another listen
>>>>> tonight. I think the EU chaps wait until Europe1 has stopped Txing. 
>>>>> Here
>>>>> is
>>>>> one frequency I know of, extract from Joe's e-mail.
>>>>> VO1NA, 184.509.3kHz
>>>>> TX about 5 watts 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 15 m high.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo.
>>>>> LF MF Grabber - Web Site - Blogspot - 9kHz Grabber
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 December 2010 16:22, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to  be  some quite big  gaps  in that  spectrum , big  enough
>>>>>>  for
>>>>>> a  cw filter and  wspr signal to  sit  with  no  splash ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nb looks like someone has the  spam  filter -mal-adjusted- ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Gary - G4WGT
>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:54 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ?
>>>>>> Graham,
>>>>>> I have occasionally read mails on LF regarding U.S. 184kHz qrs 
>>>>>> beacons
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> captures from Europe. Apparently there is a very powerful broadcast
>>>>>> station
>>>>>> in Europe on a near frequency which causes high qrm when on, I 
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>> "Europe1"
>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 December 2010 12:16, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lifted  from the  WSPR  web site  http://wsprnet.org/drupal/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 watt and  15  mtrs  of antenna ,decoding  over  1148 kmtrs  , 
>>>>>>> (best
>>>>>>> round 2000k)    seems  to  make the  137  attempts look a little 
>>>>>>> 'coy
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> somewhat  bigger power levels and  rather  large  arrays , (possibly
>>>>>>> mal-adjusted ?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this  a band  like 500  with  enhanced  propagation ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHAT IS THE  POSSIBILITY OF A  TA  DECODE ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The frequency range is 160 to 190 KHz. This is most commonly known 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Part-15 operation ( under our FCC Part-15 rules ). The basics: Power
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> limited to 1 Watt DC Input to the Final amplifier, and the antenna
>>>>>>> length
>>>>>>> cannot exceed 15 meters, including the feed line,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (XR4TN  is the experimental  call  of  KU4XR)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010-12-10 11:16 XR4TN 0.185701 -27 0 EM75xr +30 1.000 W1VD FN31is
>>>>>>> 1148
>>>>>>> G..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                 WD2XGJ
>                 WD2XSH/23
>                 WE2XEB/2
>                 WE2XGR/1
>
>