Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4ad493c2ba0336; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:01:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE012-4ad493c2ba0336; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:01:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L9PoH-0002LW-Cm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:00:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L9PoG-0002LN-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:00:56 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L9PoE-0004RS-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:00:55 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4FB631C00086 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.6.178]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C901D1C00082 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:00:43 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081207200043823.C901D1C00082@mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <7AFF3D8713DF4FDDB2603877402A0EB2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <007601c95709$acc95e50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <008d01c95710$881ff9e0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <493C1542.9070803@g3ysx.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <493C1542.9070803@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:00:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.5027.908 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.5027.908 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,PLING_PLING=0.461 Subject: Re: !!!Re: LF: Re: E field active antennas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 While Troll'ing the web ... I came across this post , by G2AJV , note the reference to a alloy or copper plate below the coil and earthed .. this was the quantum leap from the counter wound systems that are suspect a little like the CFA ... (anyone remember shifnell ?) that eliminated the flash over at cross over .. as there is 'no' crossover and the need to fabricate an array that was a mirror image of itself ..the conducting plate acting as a mirror.. G .. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo/coil.htm I have just read some recent correspondence on this net concerning the pros and cons of placing the antenna-loading coil in the shack or at the base of the vertical aerial wire. The loading coil is not just a matching device, it is also a primary source of vector potential and it is the vector potential, rather than its offspring, the magnetic and electric fields, which is the fundamental source of electromagnetic radiation. It is therefore advantageous to place the coil upright at the base of the antenna. Furthermore, as a large component of the vector potential is locally concentrated in this region, it may be possible to gain a few dBs by placing an aluminium or copper plate, somewhat larger than the diameter of the solenoid, a few centimetres under the solenoid, insulated from the earth but it may be connected directly to the TX ground terminal. (It reflects the vector potential instead of allowing it to be absorbed in the terrain, but DON'T stand on the plate to adjust the solenoid whilst running at full power !!!). I appreciate that some readers may not be au fait with vector potential and perhaps its fundamental role deserves to be lightly aired in the amateur radio journals. Roger, G2AJV. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stewart Bryant" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:26 PM To: Subject: Re: !!!Re: LF: Re: E field active antennas > > Andy Talbot wrote: >> Simultaneous whole band Rx, flat response. And yes, it must be >> simultaneous 2 - 30MHz >> By all means come down and sort it out for us if you like. But mine >> does the job perfectly. >> Was only speculating if the helical winding might make any difference. >> > > Andy > > Please stop feeding the group troll. > > Stewart > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 > 16:55 >