Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1169; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t38BInNf002160 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 13:18:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Yfnw5-0002kn-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:14:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Yfnw5-0002ke-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:14:21 +0100 Received: from rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.183]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Yfnw3-0002bc-9p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:14:20 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.149.134.136(GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090202.55250D8A.0001,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=39/50,refid=2.7.2:2015.3.30.162421:17:39.532,ip=86.149.134.136,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_BOLD, __HTML_FONT_BLUE, __HAS_HTML, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __STYLE_RATWARE_NEG, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[136.134.149.86.fur], HTML_70_90, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.149.134.136) by rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 5515161401603243 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:14:17 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1428491659; bh=63hugNOBiw/mruHaGqVFb/Kd6QrXjl9n95xgArDoTQ0=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=IGdJ29U4YlaA5flJB8FDFoqBhPxVKXnxI47/+AzwQ7/HXmYuH6Eutdn1t6Py3rx1Fjm+PGcQjE3uNP5jJRat43qSK7UCiaLHBqq2VCNbSFNtuGaSgO2fakAAeuYQEJkUtjnC93pTCuUVaOTdNcp/crJB1heXeMv7B75GpK6aPhU= Message-ID: <7A25DF27B00B4D38B9EED503ACF1FF60@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:08:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 308750728855677e0aa256742a73dd94 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01D071F4.BCB8C910" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2911 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D071F4.BCB8C910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim I dont know the PS60 I have the SPM/PS12. The PS12 is not stable = on its own and needs to be locked to the FLL in the SPM for best = stability, even then it drifts a bit. But whatever !..... use it as a = starter, I have found that somtimes a drifty signal is easier to = identify that a perfectly stable one :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; 'James Cowburn'=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Hi All =20 As well as 2 W & G level meters (SPM 3 and 19 & I agree with Alan - = marginal as Rxs) I have a W & G PS60 (level generator). Has anyone any = views/comments on this item? I'm hoping to use it as a signal source = for 137/472 and possibly 9kc also. The latter to be run via ground loop = electrode system as per Roger G3XBM. =20 Any thoughts, comments most welcome =20 Cheers =20 Jim G7NKS =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 08 April 2015 00:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF =20 Hi Iban, They do work, but you must realise they are not intended as = radio receivers, and in many aspects their performance as radios is = compromised by their design as line measuring instruments. Problems = include IMD and lack of front end filtering, some lack audio output. Yes = you can get round this or you can be lucky that you location and antenna = help mitigate the problems. =20 =20 You might be better to consider an SDR these days but make sure it = really cover the frequencies of interest. Graham G0NBD has information = on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B dongles. In Europe there are a lot = more LF signals from very strong stations than in the US so be careful = of US opinions that rate these as receivers. I have a couple of W&G = units which while useful as test equipment are less than brilliant and = barely worth their cost as receivers. =20 Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Iban Cardona=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM Subject: LF: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF =20 Hi,=20 =20 I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using it?=20 =20 Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz? =20 Thanks for advance =20 73! Iban eb3frn =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D071F4.BCB8C910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim I dont know the PS60 I have the = SPM/PS12.=20 The PS12 is not stable on its own and needs to be locked to the FLL in = the SPM=20 for best stability, even then it drifts a bit. But whatever = !..... use it=20 as a starter, I have found that somtimes a drifty signal is easier to = identify=20 that a perfectly stable one :-))
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James=20 Cowburn
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 = 11:25=20 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: HP 3586C = selective=20 level meter for LF and MF

Hi=20 All

 

As well as = 2 W &=20 G level meters (SPM 3 and 19 & I  agree with Alan =96 = marginal as Rxs)=20 I have a W & G PS60 (level generator).  Has anyone any = views/comments=20 on this item?  I=92m hoping to use it as a signal source for = 137/472 and=20 possibly 9kc also.  The latter to be run via ground loop = electrode system=20 as per Roger G3XBM.

 

Any = thoughts,=20 comments most welcome

 

Cheers

 

Jim=20 G7NKS

 

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan = Melia
Sent: 08 April 2015 = 00:41
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: HP 3586C = selective level=20 meter for LF and MF

 

Hi Iban, They do work, = but you=20 must realise they are not intended as radio receivers, and in many = aspects=20 their performance as radios is compromised by their design as line = measuring=20 instruments. Problems include IMD and lack of front end filtering, = some lack=20 audio output. Yes you can get round this or you can be lucky that = you=20 location and antenna help mitigate the problems. =20

 

You might be better to = consider an=20 SDR these days but make sure it really cover the frequencies of = interest.=20 Graham G0NBD has information on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B = dongles. In Europe there are a lot more LF signals from very strong = stations=20 than in the US so be careful of US opinions that rate these as = receivers. I=20 have a couple of W&G units which while useful as test equipment=20 are less than brilliant and barely worth their cost as=20 receivers.

 

Alan

G3NYK

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Iban = Cardona=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM

Subject: LF: HP=20 3586C selective level meter for LF and = MF

 

Hi,

 

I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody = is using=20 it? 

 

Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 = and 477=20 kHz?

 

Thanks for=20 advance

 

73! = Iban

eb3frn

 

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