Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-59248a29722316; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:11:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF121-59248a29722316; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:11:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KTBRL-0006R3-E5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:10:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KTBRK-0006Qu-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:10:42 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KTBRK-0006ut-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:10:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 1449 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 08:10:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HDG5A9iDTe38P9jLn3XiNvgO7gGNnfDanZfcg5fBA26ofd/1cz10ESBbA/cZqzUseu2MTC2MZc4uUH9NflPOwlMRcy8FJyyg32A2Yk0eJ8+JPABvmqLSL2GNcbsX6tnVAuEHQXDRyTI9UBJnuVcdw8zzogFqYhcC/DKnT7aSj0Y=; Received: from [86.147.176.233] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:10:35 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:10:35 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8CACAE02BBCC962-173C-31DA@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <796316.1160.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: IPTDFMCWSEST I want that one .... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1639077934-1218615035=:1160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-1639077934-1218615035=:1160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brilliant =C2=A0 Petefmt =C2=A0 ps Best laugh for ages. --- On Tue, 12/8/08, g4gvw@aol.com wrote: From: g4gvw@aol.com Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 11:16 PM Hi All, I am inviting comments on a new mode that might help to satisfy both=20 the "traditionalists" and the hankerers after new technology. My project is based on the visual semaphore but using a two tone system=20 to define the positions of the flags. The frequency of each tone would=20 define the angular position of each flag. Ideally, the sending speed=20 would bear a relationship to the sender's speech rhythms and would=20 therefore be almost infinitely variable as between characters but have=20 a mean speed suitable to the allowed bandwidth thereby giving the=20 equivalent of "fist". A "space" tone between characters would be a=20 fixed frequency to be used as a pilot tone allowing synchronisation of=20 tone detectors. I intend to call this system "Interupted Pilot Tone Dual Frequency=20 Modulated Continuous Wave Semaphore Equivalent Signalling Telegraphy"=20 or IPTDFMCWSEST" ! So may we please now end all these silly arguments about "appliance=20 operators" while I return to local ragchews on my frequency modulated=20 dishwasher and loaded dipolar strimmer! 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: What politicians do for science, hopefully science will do for them one=20 day! -----Original Message----- From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:05 Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group As far as I know commercial morse services never tried to use the morse code for printing. For printing the teletype machines have been invented, a technology with allows many additional features to be designed, a process still ongoing. Therefore I would recommend everybody not willing to learn the morse code to follow the examples of commercial teletypers. But everybody may do what he thinks would make him happy. As I have grown up with the morse code I find it fully sufficient for what I have to communicate over radio, to keep technology simple. I guess I would never had come to amateur radio around 1950 if I had to struggle with complex communication modes as featured today. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "mal hamilton" schrieb: > The appliance operators DELIGHT !!! > No skill required, just fumble about on a keyboard, no Ears needed.=20 Some > elocution lessons and a microphone might be a more suitable mode. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group > > > > Excellent. > > > > And if more people used computer generated morse for transmitting,=20 the > > decoding software would be more reliable still. We don't want any=20 of > > this hand sent, badly formatted stuff :-) > > > > Andy G4JNT > > > > 2008/8/12 Peter Cleall : > >> > >> Saw this and thought it was amusing in the light of recent=20 postings. > >> > >> > >> Yahoo mail group dedicated to > >> CW without CW skills ! Check it at > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CW_Blasphemy/ > >> > >> The group focuses on software for receiving and sending CW , plus > >> gives tips for getting on the CW bands with NO CW skills (thus the > >> group's name). Emphasis is on contesting and DXing with CW=20 software. > >> > >> peter > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy G4JNT > > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1605 - Release Date:=20 8/11/2008 > > 4:59 PM > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! 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Brilliant
 
Petefmt
 
ps
Best laugh for ages.

--- On Tue, 12/8/08, g4gvw@aol.com &l= t;g4gvw@aol.com> wrote:
From: g4gvw@aol.com <g4gvw@aol.com>
Subject: R= e: LF: new cw yahoo group
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesd= ay, 12 August, 2008, 11:16 PM

Hi All,
I am inviting comments on a new mode that might help to satisfy both=20
the "traditionalists" and the hankerers after new technology.

My project is based on the visual semaphore but using a two tone system=20
to define the positions of the flags. The frequency of each tone would=20
define the angular position of each flag. Ideally, the sending speed=20
would bear a relationship to the sender's speech rhythms and would=20
therefore be almost infinitely variable as between characters but have=20
a mean speed suitable to the allowed bandwidth thereby giving the=20
equivalent of "fist". A "space" tone between characters
would be a=20
fixed frequency to be used as a pilot tone allowing synchronisation of=20
tone detectors.

I intend to call this system "Interupted Pilot Tone Dual Frequency=20
Modulated Continuous Wave Semaphore Equivalent Signalling Telegraphy"=20
or IPTDFMCWSEST" !

So may we please now end all these silly arguments about "appliance=20
operators" while I return to local ragchews on my frequency modulated=20
dishwasher and loaded dipolar strimmer!


73 de Pat g4gvw
QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK

Thought for today:

What politicians do for science, hopefully science will do for them one=20
day!


-----Original Message-----
From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:05
Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group










As far as I know commercial morse services never tried to use the morse
code for printing.

For printing the teletype machines have been invented, a technology with
allows many additional features to be designed, a process still ongoing.
Therefore I would recommend everybody not willing to learn the morse
code to follow the examples of commercial teletypers. But everybody may
do what he thinks would make him happy.

As I have grown up with the morse code I find it fully sufficient for
what I have to communicate over radio, to keep technology simple. I
guess I would never had come to amateur radio around 1950 if I had to
struggle with complex communication modes as featured today.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb:
> The appliance operators DELIGHT !!!
> No skill required, just fumble about on a keyboard, no Ears needed.=20
Some
> elocution lessons and a microphone might be a more suitable mode.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group
>
>
> > Excellent.
> >
> > And if more people used computer generated morse for transmitting,=
=20
the
> > decoding software would be more reliable still.  We don't want
any=20
of
> > this hand sent, badly formatted stuff :-)
> >
> > Andy  G4JNT
> >
> > 2008/8/12 Peter Cleall <peter.cleall@virgin.net>:
> >>
> >> Saw this and thought it was amusing in the light of recent=20
postings.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo mail group dedicated to
> >> CW without CW skills !    Check it at
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CW_Blasphemy/
> >>
> >> The group focuses on software for receiving and sending CW , p=
lus
> >> gives tips for getting on the CW bands  with NO CW skills (thu=
s
the
> >> group's name).  Emphasis is on contesting and DXing with CW=20
software.
> >>
> >> peter
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andy G4JNT
> > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1605 - Release Date:=20
8/11/2008
> > 4:59 PM
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>








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