Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-8ba34b830b9c100; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:56:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BEEDC38000117; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjhBX-00065y-Av for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:55:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjhBW-00065p-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:55:26 +0000 Received: from web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjhBU-0006NT-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:55:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 21241 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2010 22:55:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1266879318; bh=Cujb8Hk4tZidn6HSjQFWO+mnjS3nlGWWs2qf0YuSwOs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XYwkdfkBAwBG7Q3/V1UxZTU7UDq0C4XJsB1ZSS/9H/Qmq1wMT82J5cUNIRrm4rmsI2+3WPt3cM4kXQPL7AZ+PyznuzlLYHxHZGkug42a4ZOijHgAl1qKkLSAIkl5M35vOA3NOS96EEPInyPYhVKuoKNBYCHg1TIePck4XYGt+Ys= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cqZnfkpjzdFASUwObPdzM9ikKD41Mgr5VoGj95exos7iCRaO+LBociuiRaXzKBgcvaA5uScpGl97W+RnOt4LB/wSa9sbkQ5WFIeVwv2GX7mn6DMCwl0e6ODM/qWRZWFMnY3a6UYi7gLCLavYo+XfKyzT0bca715YN7lnYXy0sfU=; Message-ID: <792299.21067.qm@web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rpXcXQ4VM1ngEwF1XHrKXJAtiqoflOS5Ynluw4hKqboantDGOpedyY8vqdmoC2hUKgRhGksrAgP9XFryAN6a6dNLgbAgWh9vc0eIjy771pkuj4KjwgQSGMvtuelo0393HwEKIekZxXce22slxyqj5m95zAhRiOwAWW0VtDpdFICFxbM0Hh3mAnhjWcLwz3WUv73iIaA_JWmD8JCWc8X0UQWCvUGc4o0931w7coI0Kh89ayYogP8hd.sfiijC1gkcK0BGBzrBWwuZbgVCrkr_yw6g1grwEL9eT7uUdLsSWyJlY_5arR35ILPrKpKStmiS Received: from [213.122.36.154] by web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:55:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:55:18 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b830b997341 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Apologies Andy my memory is playing tricks (make a note ...it's an age thi= ng !! :) ).....maybe it was somone else.=20 On an admin point when I used to sit on a liaison committee for PMR, we he= ard that the Govt isues "free licences" so that it can retain control, set= conditons of the operation, and can of course withdraw them if it gets "e= mbarassing". I think this was the case at the time with SRBR and the later= misnamed PMR446.=20 I subscribe to Bear's philosophy too (no I never said that....I must have= been misquoted) I also believe in "Dont ask cos the easiest and safest an= swer for a Civil Serpent is 'no' " !! Nice comment from Alex on near-field....long time since we heard from you= last Alex or maybe I dont read the group enough. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Mon, 22/2/10, Andy Talbot wrote: > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 20:45 > My thoughts precisely. > =A0 > The phrase attributed originally to Solon the Lawmaker > of Athens in 437 BCE (or thereabouts) and subsequently > Douglas Bader > =A0 > =A0 > As mentioned recently, I tried to apply for=A0a NoV for > 8.9kHz =A0a few years ago.=A0 mainly to allow publicicity > 'after the event', whereas if I'd just gone > ahead and done it, people may have whinged on > principle. >=20 > =A0 > Anyway, Ofcom as was were=A0quite helpful, and even > arranged a three way phone conversation with myself,=A0 Ofcom > themselves,=A0and=A0a representative of the=A0percveived users > of that frequency who may be inconvenienced - the Spherics > lightning monitoring people. >=20 > =A0 > The latter were quite open, and said "just go > ahead",=A0 they'd see if there would be a problem (I > was sure they'd never detect a signal; they were sure > they would)=A0=A0=A0 Ofcom said they'd go away and consult > on a form of words for a NoV and that's where it all > stopped.=A0=A0=A0 Despite chasing, nothing more was heard.=A0=A0 > I lost interest in VLF, went back to microwaves and beacon > construction, and stopped thinking of how to make a BIG > ground loop. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 22 February 2010 20:19, John > Bruce McCreath > wrote: >=20 > Hello > LFers, >=20 > I'd just like to throw in my two pence worth from this > side of the pond. =A0As it is very likely that the only > listeners >=20 > down there would be fellow experimenters, just go ahead and > do it. =A0I have always found that it's better to ask > for forgiveness than to ask for permission! >=20 > 73, J.B., VE3EAR >=20 > LowFER Beacon "EAR" >=20 > 188.830 kHz. 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