Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-86194d6e8d81272; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:33:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2595138000636; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Puqqq-0000Tg-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:32:44 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Puqqq-0000TX-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:32:44 +0000 Received: from nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Puqqp-0002wD-Vq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:32:44 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 18:32:38 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.62] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 18:32:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 18:32:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 974802.24716.bm@omp1031.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84688 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2011 18:32:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1299090757; bh=RfSrry5THePUw5gAGQcDyTyyYYHoVjKRv66vQYzEJ2I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pWY0M/sq9haQirIBIw67ezbKrinhXCQcidEO2RDKYToOAEuSbGbsZkHfaeyD1Ks2MoXKrUCkqX6WO/jtJJvPp+2KH4sbUNaVBehrmoIjCqULNseDonNIJ7ojPJI8TVTBrAi6sWGB/rX6eDrAfnq1G3CvHYeF/RUqRZ3uxDeZ/Xk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wm+bPWe35KOQ9HE269hPeVdgNQ1dia+qrZaEnaLaxYVNrrsvfFPO8CkoA98PWzyeUH0DtSo/+hENf1Jap1YplMEloNllKdeYpEdHNFHO6F4loMyZOz9J6RvuWfn6ScxXOAz6jVpjqooOPv/aZyWrewf0miZ156or0SoKqygWGAU=; Message-ID: <790926.83343.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5BACyisVM1n_NtQ1nu9aYjko6iki9_edhER2pGYDa0CTjxP H.EQNllb0n3Q7MSvSOPutsVKcJXsMFhLicqiOIgoJD8Q4qnyP8c7rMc0KwMD YYt3D1.eesT461mR_zfFGrT64Ailq5OBvMs9Y5c3NZFiV697TKUeM356w6Kt AnGZ0l7cVWrKJ7slzYIBmq65gh8ULGsDCJ9I_8LA6Eky5Ks_DICD5VKQSru2 rrshmQwpJPuidz1EaPDZLcSV8D0XM69_RugRD.n3KvP01DUYbj_87D894fjn KBMJg4o8w_lYtsE1KbKONbvlmJiekFrT1V4wjdAgmryU- Received: from [81.129.14.34] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:32:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: , <4D6E80AA.6155.1B7C915@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:32:37 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4D6E80AA.6155.1B7C915@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: WRC-2012 proposal for 'near' 500kHz band(s) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1937335304-1299090757=:83343" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4d6e8d7f3efb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1937335304-1299090757=:83343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes 2m tuning high to low aaah those were the days. It may be an advantage to have the US in one band=A0and EU in another to= avoid=20 local powerful stations blotting DX. It makes=A0it effectively a=A0bigger= band as=20 well. So there may be a plus to this idea? =A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 ________________________________ From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 17:38:50 Subject: Re: LF: WRC-2012 proposal for 'near' 500kHz band(s) On 2 Mar 2011 at 15:52, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Why not try for 472-487kHz the amateur radio service in *every* > region? Is there any logic having two proposals (at least)? Wouldn't > the chances of success at WRC-2012 been higher if there was a common > frequency proposal worldwide for an allocation at MF? > Roger G3XBM The logic is that if the commercial interests in only one region=20 objects to the proposed common frequency the whole proposal falls. It=20 is up to the amateur service in each region to work out what they=20 feel would have the greatest chance of success. Ideally there should=20 be a worldwide allocation, but we have lived with split bands before,=20 and in fact voluntarily split our own bands on a geographical basis. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 --0-1937335304-1299090757=:83343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes 2m tuning high to low aaah those were the days.
 
It may be an advantage to have the US in one band and EU in anot= her to avoid local powerful stations blotting DX. It makes it effecti= vely a bigger band as well. So there may be a plus to this idea?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20

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From: Mike Dennison <mi= ke.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 17:38:50
Subject: Re: LF: WRC-2012 proposal for 'near'= 500kHz band(s)

On 2 Mar 2011 at 15:52, Roger Lapthorn wrote= :

> Why not try for 472-487kHz the amateur radio service in *eve= ry*
> region? Is there any logic having two proposals (at least)? Wo= uldn't
> the chances of success at WRC-2012 been higher if there was= a common
> frequency proposal worldwide for an allocation at MF?> Roger G3XBM

The logic is that if the commercial interests in= only one region
objects to the proposed common frequency the whole pr= oposal falls. It
is up to the amateur service in each region to work= out what they
feel would have the greatest chance of success. Ideally there should=
be a worldwide allocation, but we have lived with split bands before,=
and in fact voluntarily split our own bands on a geographical basis.<= BR>
Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


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