Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.74.210]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-86084dbd580431f; Sun, 01 May 2011 08:54:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8391B38000081; Sun, 1 May 2011 08:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QGW9J-00025Q-2A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:53:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QGW9I-00025H-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:53:20 +0100 Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.115]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QGW9I-0007b1-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:53:20 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 12:53:13 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.179] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 12:53:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 12:53:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 913557.70142.bm@omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77516 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2011 12:53:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1304254393; bh=zqVonHze+Uc9wOgtPLH0Jt7he6bQwhVrwk7v+sHSloA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aonn1tVl+xAWJ5/NNYCreiLcRrlsm3nlHvXydxlarfu17/7VKK90eiLFrMut2n9xnj0hfVU7iCfo/0x837lYkF7f/s7Ho0fY2Uglg5JnxHTX4ubdIC9fhPM+FV96UAQ9MyOgmeyPXJlIWipLgXeIl9NLaY988vdoZJc4EHh2/n4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qGznvDG0Adh3yvdKtEf7MWuXJ0BKkh171mwdnojHBd1vKPIyqrBtCZ02Qlit9F8U/D82VmGcQKlSp4npEi+7/Fj+gQ153WYZED6FClJyVbPrc9FYXMIxnufKtQ9tYFz+CwJ64Y6iUxJnt8JfwGvlwpQUIhr/Wwg7Y9nUyLPQP5A=; Message-ID: <788751.75732.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d6JeGA8VM1luZjEHTFb348ot_ZBcaLqQaUMFOZ6adbaqfma CL4vIwcR9CpHjXwbBy0s31nqQzrPBy7OTjUekVuVFGwUCHinibx5j8718S1t vaqeYrMiblJ2x7Va7o4KOMrdiiIz4Bx7cwdE1IkAy5Xp6iqstK5ME_CZ4wlx mKAELk8ljXSmlYUpF2JkNUh8KzrIaf17VUuCU2eddLO_LA2GSBxDKKdd0wJ6 1ylhP2bGlDGRRNYyYRRyPkrgb7G5OTeYi1nw09.WTYBNuMrR4wUtq1epqfkG YFgb1f..6jhW2ON4CktiXRpjpU2gCPvi.aM.o5DJmFmU8KnnPzmbf8_bVIuY YYhThUNZTCp_5a25f1YG9 Received: from [86.134.236.136] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:53:13 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: <707765.95482.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:53:13 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: ERP estimation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-645885961-1304254393=:75732" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24dbd58010479 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-645885961-1304254393=:75732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you both for the information I think I understand it to a level that= I can=20 calculate an ERP value for my antenna. =A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 ________________________________ From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sun, 1 May, 2011 12:53:38 Subject: Re: LF: ERP estimation Dear Pete, LF Group, > There must be some software written that does this? You can use NEC-based antenna simulation software (EZNEC, etc.) to obtain= Rrad=20 for your antenna, by running an "SWR plot" using perfect conductors and pe= rfect=20 ground. The resistive component of the antenna impedance given by the simu= lator=20 is then equal to the radiation resistance, since there are no other source= s of=20 loss. This is quite useful for more complicated antenna configurations wit= h=20 multiple wires, elevated feeds, etc., but for most simple wire antennas,= just=20 calculating Heff as the average height of the wires gives nearly the same= =20 result, and like Andy says, it is easier and quicker just to use a calcula= tor. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --0-645885961-1304254393=:75732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you both for the information I think I understand it to a level= that I can calculate an ERP value for my antenna.
 
73 es GL= Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20

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From: James Moritz <jam= es.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To:<= /SPAN> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun, 1 May, 2011 12:53:38
Subject: Re: LF: ERP estimation

D= ear Pete, LF Group,

> There must be some software written that= does this?

You can use NEC-based antenna simulation software (EZNE= C, etc.) to obtain Rrad for your antenna, by running an "SWR plot" using= perfect conductors and perfect ground. The resistive component of the ant= enna impedance given by the simulator is then equal to the radiation resis= tance, since there are no other sources of loss. This is quite useful for= more complicated antenna configurations with multiple wires, elevated fee= ds, etc., but for most simple wire antennas, just calculating Heff as the= average height of the wires gives nearly the same result, and like Andy says, it is easier= and quicker just to use a calculator.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de= M0BMU



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