Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A1ADD38000099; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RqlG1-0000T8-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:50:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RqlG0-0000Sz-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:50:20 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqlFx-0001fS-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:50:20 +0000 Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0RCo9qK018741 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:50:09 -0500 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbf15ea.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.21.234]) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 78F30E00009B for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:50:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7667FF6C11E54298B5CAA2280D2B436C@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <3992CC59F7A14AA694628529761EC5DE@AGB> <4F1F695F.7020400@charter.net> <28E5D61E1299414C8AD335047F7EE837@White> <4F2213B0.2030107@charter.net> <4F22901C.8060503@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:50:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1327668609; bh=0COG9oMCjeN/rXB2SNKIUedBfs0WO6q0JfoGZ0UWkUk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EHg844s9K+JurhevpwlforHz51VoJToWYLX4OzxBJqcggLjb7/HDoB8rv8qEk0KXY OfsVnDH/x+2mGNLTul7pkk8RlPEBRW7KFMJtqKTBEHaCOxe47lz9Zm0Yg5co6qVZ1J +K7vobMHLlGvnJQkm14INNiqjlEgGzpzhiCRKUbE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440564960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CCDCFA.90B138D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469608864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d009.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914f229dde35c6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CCDCFA.90B138D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Andy, John and Dex for looking out for my WOLF signal. The = TX was running without interruption from 23 to 7 UT, PEP about 0.5 W = ERP.=20 One thing I still don't trust is the continuity of the soundcard output. = I guess the glitches which occasionally appear in QRSS dashes might = corrupt the long-term phase-coherence which is required for deep WOLF = decoding. Will have to look into that before the next attempt. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: John Andrews=20 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:53 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s Markus, No luck. Not a quiet night, and TA prop does not seem to have recovered. John, W1TAG On 1/26/2012 10:02 PM, John Andrews wrote: > Markus, > > Nothing seen as of 0300, other than the usual infinite number of = monkeys > typing away. Will let it run overnight. > > John, W1TAG > > On 1/26/2012 5:39 PM, Markus Vester wrote: >> WOLF ... good idea! >> My TX antenna has been pushed up again tonight, and I intend to howl = for >> a couple of hours, starting 23:00 UT at 10 b/s speed. >> As CFH is still sitting smack in the middle of the band, I'll move = close >> to the lower edge, squeezing into a narrow HGA-sidebands gap on = *135975 >> Hz* (that is unless you may have other suggestions). >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> *From:* John Andrews >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:30 AM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = >> *Subject:* Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ? >> >> Graham, >> >> There is no single s/n figure or specified BW in which to measure it. >> WOLF works by building copy up over a period of time, and assuming = good >> frequency/phase stability, a half hour or more is practical. >> >> The data rate is fairly fast, 10 b/s, with a 960 bit message, so that = a >> complete frame of data is sent in 96 seconds. You get three quick >> reports in the first 96 seconds, and then decodes every 96 seconds >> after. Each message is 15 characters, with no rules about callsign >> format. >> >> Tests done some years ago show it roughly equivalent to QRSS60 in = terms >> of signal level. It does give some clues as to whether a signal has = been >> locked-in, and has the possibility of partial copy, unlike some "all = or >> nothing" modes. Fifteen characters in a half-hour is of course much >> faster than QRSS60 would permit. 2-way QSO's are fairly easy with = some >> advance agreement on what to do with the 15 characters. >> >> The downsides are the need for a linear transmitter system (as this = is >> PSK), receiver/transmitter stability and frequency accuracy. It works = at >> 600 meters, but is fairly useless at 160 meters and up. >> >> The newest version is by DL4YHF, and may be found at: >> http://www.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//wolf/ . >> >> Note that this version has 5 b/s and 20 b/s variations. Testing has >> shown that the program tends to provide copy in the same amount of = time, >> so there's no overriding advantage to either. >> >> John, W1TAG >> >> On 1/24/2012 7:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> > WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ? >> > Long time since I used wolf , anyone have the >> > expected decode min s/n level ? >> > and now what s/n was ref to , as changes >> > may of taken place over time >> > Tnx -G. >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date: >> 01/23/12 19:34:00 >> > >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date: >> 01/25/12 20:07:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date: = 01/25/12 20:07:00 > ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CCDCFA.90B138D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks Andy, John and Dex for = looking out for=20 my WOLF signal. The TX was = running without=20 interruption from 23 to 7 UT, PEP about 0.5 W = ERP. 
 
One thing I still don't trust is the = continuity of=20 the soundcard output. I guess the glitches = which occasionally appear=20 in QRSS dashes might corrupt the long-term=20 phase-coherence which is required for deep WOLF decoding. = Will=20 have to look into that before the next attempt.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s

Markus,

No luck. Not a quiet night, and TA prop = does not=20 seem to have recovered.

John, W1TAG

On 1/26/2012 10:02 PM, = John=20 Andrews wrote:
> Markus,
>
> Nothing seen as of 0300, = other=20 than the usual infinite number of monkeys
> typing away. Will let = it run=20 overnight.
>
> John, W1TAG
>
> On 1/26/2012 5:39 = PM,=20 Markus Vester wrote:
>> WOLF ... good idea!
>> My TX = antenna=20 has been pushed up again tonight, and I intend to howl for
>> a = couple=20 of hours, starting 23:00 UT at 10 b/s speed.
>> As CFH is still = sitting=20 smack in the middle of the band, I'll move close
>> to the = lower edge,=20 squeezing into a narrow HGA-sidebands gap on *135975
>> Hz* = (that is=20 unless you may have other suggestions).
>> Best 73,
>> = Markus=20 (DF6NM)
>>
>> *From:* John Andrews <mailto:w1tag@charter.net>
>= ;>=20 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:30 AM
>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org>
>>=20 *Subject:* Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?
>>
>>=20 Graham,
>>
>> There is no single s/n figure or = specified BW in=20 which to measure it.
>> WOLF works by building copy up over a = period of=20 time, and assuming good
>> frequency/phase stability, a half = hour or=20 more is practical.
>>
>> The data rate is fairly fast, = 10 b/s,=20 with a 960 bit message, so that a
>> complete frame of data is = sent in=20 96 seconds. You get three quick
>> reports in the first 96 = seconds, and=20 then decodes every 96 seconds
>> after. Each message is 15 = characters,=20 with no rules about callsign
>> format.
>>
>> = Tests=20 done some years ago show it roughly equivalent to QRSS60 in = terms
>> of=20 signal level. It does give some clues as to whether a signal has=20 been
>> locked-in, and has the possibility of partial copy, = unlike some=20 "all or
>> nothing" modes. Fifteen characters in a half-hour is = of=20 course much
>> faster than QRSS60 would permit. 2-way QSO's are = fairly=20 easy with some
>> advance agreement on what to do with the 15=20 characters.
>>
>> The downsides are the need for a = linear=20 transmitter system (as this is
>> PSK), receiver/transmitter = stability=20 and frequency accuracy. It works at
>> 600 meters, but is = fairly=20 useless at 160 meters and up.
>>
>> The newest version = is by=20 DL4YHF, and may be found at:
>> http://www.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//= wolf/=20 .
>>
>> Note that this version has 5 b/s and 20 b/s=20 variations. Testing has
>> shown that the program tends to = provide copy=20 in the same amount of time,
>> so there's no overriding = advantage to=20 either.
>>
>> John, W1TAG
>>
>> On = 1/24/2012=20 7:27 PM, Graham wrote:
>> > WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG = ?
>>=20 > Long time since I used wolf , anyone have the
>> > = expected=20 decode min s/n level ?
>> > and now what s/n was ref to , as = changes
>> > may of taken place over time
>> > = Tnx=20 -G.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > = No virus=20 found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>> > = Version:=20 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date:
>> = 01/23/12=20 19:34:00
>>=20 >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No = virus found=20 in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.454 = / Virus=20 Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date:
>> 01/25/12=20 20:07:00
>>
>
>
>
> No virus found in = this=20 incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.454 / = Virus=20 Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date: 01/25/12=20 20:07:00
>

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