Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8QKFh3T032365 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 22:15:43 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zfvlx-0008C8-92 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:08:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zfvlw-0008Bz-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:08:40 +0100 Received: from smtpout13.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.133] helo=rgout0606.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zfvkw-0004xA-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:08:39 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 81.155.177.128 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090204.5606FAFB.001E,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=40/50,refid=2.7.2:2015.9.14.165118:17:40.733,ip=81.155.177.128,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[128.177.155.81.fur], HTML_50_70, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (81.155.177.128) by rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 55F049C102212806 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:07:23 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1443298058; bh=jBbGEhOhglNZj+yReRWABiPQpjsc4haSPC86fSufUEI=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=tworvjxZFo6+oGr/YVGkLSnwbrmBNuoMPe5EvdRDOTZc+NSFGrj0Ud+JHO847CWJU8RpZFHUtaTF3ULBIzwvtmd/6QJzd7doR1t9o7YUvnZBSXGdJ0EdqdaUh93VosW7n7tWG0FuHsZ+E2/3wnQUzSHTy/vJiSPV6+y9kO6ubCQ= Message-ID: <7516F7F6B61E4CA6BCF1D8B9199297F2@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <0MNdxu-1Zl3vu0oLy-007AvH@mail.gmx.com> <5603CC31.2000401@posteo.de> <560508B4.6000303@posteo.de> <258E2E67F0754FC2B833F8C44E2EA246@White> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:07:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 65.20.0.133 (smtpout13.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) used invalid HELO/EHLO rgout0606.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: c2d3004053ffd6a8f3b98d2033b61db9 Subject: Re: LF: First MF TA since a longer time Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01D0F89F.54FFC080" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4160 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01D0F89F.54FFC080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus I am wondering whether the WSPR or Opera results could help me = understand some underlying variations in propagation that I dont seem to = be able to pin down. Stefan reports two nights with similar Dst one = works for him the other does not. I want to try to determine whether the = effect is location, i.e path length, dependent. so say one station gets = good on night A and poor on B whilst another gets poor on A and good on = B. I am particularly interested when Dst is -20nT or higher (Colorado = Univ estimate) All the Dst correlation results are based on = measurements on one fixed path.=20 Anecdotal evidence would not seem to support this but actual = measurements on the TA path would pin it down more definitely. Even if = everyone in europe gets the same "good" nights it would remove on = possible cause. It needs to be at least 4000km path. Ideally two = transmitting stations would be reported by the same monitoring atation = to remove the effects of local QRM. Alan=20 G3NYK =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: First MF TA since a longer time Those outstanding receptions have apparently triggered a fair amount = of MF WSPR activity last night. Unfortunately it seems the good = conditions did not return - no more TA detections have occured, and SNR = from DK7FC at TF3HZ was some 10 to 15 dB lower than the night before. On the side, I happened to snatch a nice Hell signal from DL6TY, with = multiple characters sent in parallel. After flipping the horizontal = waterfall it became quite readable. Best 73, Markus From: DK7FC=20 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:41 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: First MF TA since a longer time Hi all,=20 Last night there were excellent condx on 630m on the TA path! G8HUH, = F5WK and DK7FC managed to be decoded in above 5000 km in WSPR. I've got exceptional good SNR reports!: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2015-09-25 04:52 DK7FC 0.475683 -23 0 JN49ik 1 = WG2XKA FN33lq 5970 297 =20 2015-09-25 04:32 DK7FC 0.475683 -16 0 JN49ik 1 = WD2XSH/17 FN42pb 5927 294 =20 2015-09-25 04:32 DK7FC 0.475684 -6 0 JN49ik 1 = W1TAG/1 FN43sv 5789 296 =20 2015-09-25 00:32 DK7FC 0.475683 -5 0 JN49ik 1 = TF3HZ HP94ad 2440 323 =20 -6 dB by W1TAG/1 means that many weaker stations could have made the = path as well, in that time slot! 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01D0F89F.54FFC080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Markus I am wondering whether = the WSPR or=20 Opera results could help me understand some underlying variations in = propagation=20 that I dont seem to be able to pin down. Stefan reports two nights = with=20 similar Dst one works for him the other does not. I want to try to = determine=20 whether the effect is location,  i.e path length, dependent. = so=20 say one station gets good on night A and poor on B whilst another = gets poor=20 on A and good on B.  I am particularly interested when Dst is = -20nT or=20 higher (Colorado Univ estimate)  All the Dst correlation results = are based=20 on measurements on one fixed path.
 
Anecdotal evidence would not seem to = support this=20 but actual measurements on the TA path would pin it down more=20 definitely. Even if everyone in europe gets the same "good" nights = it would=20 remove on possible cause. It needs to be at least 4000km path. Ideally = two=20 transmitting stations would be reported by the same monitoring atation = to remove=20 the effects of local QRM.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Saturday, September 26, = 2015 12:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: First MF TA = since a=20 longer time

Those outstanding receptions = have apparently=20 triggered a fair amount of MF WSPR activity last night. Unfortunately = it seems=20 the good conditions did not return - no more TA detections = have=20 occured, and SNR from DK7FC at TF3HZ was some 10 to 15 dB lower than = the night=20 before.
 
On the side, I happened to snatch a = nice Hell=20 signal from DL6TY, with multiple characters sent in parallel. After = flipping=20 the horizontal waterfall it became quite = readable.
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
 
 

From: DK7FC
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: LF: First MF TA since a longer = time

Hi all,

Last night there were excellent condx = on 630m=20 on the TA path! G8HUH, F5WK and DK7FC managed to be decoded in above = 5000 km=20 in WSPR.

I've got exceptional good SNR reports!:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2015-09-25 04:52   DK7FC   0.475683   -23   0   JN49ik   1   WG2XKA   FN33lq   5970   297 
 2015-09-25 04:32   DK7FC   0.475683   -16   0   JN49ik   1   WD2XSH/17   FN42pb   5927   294 
 2015-09-25 04:32   DK7FC   0.475684   -6   0   JN49ik   1   W1TAG/1   FN43sv   5789   296 
 2015-09-25 00:32   DK7FC   0.475683   -5   0   JN49ik   1   TF3HZ   HP94ad   2440   323 

-6 = dB by W1TAG/1=20 means that many weaker stations could have made the path as well, in = that time=20 slot!

73, Stefan
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