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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tobias, many thanks for the report! Yes I expected those outer lines, but not that someone would actually hear them... guess I will have to modify the frequency scheme for future tests. Did you happen to observe whether the three channels were affected by different QSB patterns? On the Heidelberg grabber, they were clearly different: whenever one frequency suffered a deep fade, at least one of the others was going strong. But for larger distances and lower skywave angles the delay spread will presumably be smaller, and 1 kHz spacing may no longer be effective enough. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CF2C3B.059335E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CF2C3B.059335E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tobias,=20 many thanks for the report! Yes I expected those outer lines, but not = that someone would actually hear them... guess I will have to modify the = frequency scheme for future tests.=20 Did you happen to observe whether the three channels were affected by = different QSB patterns? On the Heidelberg grabber, they were clearly = different: whenever one frequency suffered a deep fade, at least one of = the others was going strong. But for larger distances and lower skywave = angles the delay spread will presumably be smaller, and 1 kHz spacing = may no longer be effective enough. Back to "pure" single carrier mode now... Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Tobias DG3LV=20 Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:20 PM To: Markus Vester=20 Subject: Re: LF: DF6NM beacon.. Hi Markus ! Confirming, Three lines and two more lines, weaker(-10dB), at 475.8 and=20 471.8 kHz. 73 de dg3lv Tobias Am 17.02.2014 23:01, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dave, many thanks for the report! > I'm currently testing frequency diversity as a possible anti-QSB > measure, simultaneously transmitting on 472.8, 473.8 and 474.8. I'm = also > listening on these three QRGs. > Will look for QSO activity in a few minutes. > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > *From:* Dave G3WCB. > *Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2014 10:51 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = > *Subject:* LF: DF6NM beacon.. > > Hi, Markus. > > I'm copying your CW beacon on 472.8 RST 539. Your signals are very > steady with hardly any QSB. > I don't think I've heard you on CW before. RX antenna is a tuned > 80cm square loop with a pre-amp. > TEST ON 472R8 KHZ ......VVV TEST DE DF6NM....etc > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor under Thames. > ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CF2C3B.059335E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tobias,
 
many thanks for the report! Yes I = expected=20 those outer lines, but not that someone would actually hear them... = guess I=20 will have to modify the frequency scheme for future=20 tests. 
 
Did you happen to observe whether the = three=20 channels were affected by different QSB patterns? On the Heidelberg = grabber, they were clearly different: whenever one frequency suffered a = deep=20 fade, at least one of the others was going strong. But for larger = distances=20 and lower skywave angles the delay spread will presumably be smaller, = and 1=20 kHz spacing may no longer be effective enough.
 
Back to "pure" single carrier mode=20 now...
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DF6NM beacon..

Hi Markus !

Confirming, Three lines = and two=20 more lines, weaker(-10dB), at 475.8 and
471.8 kHz.

73 de = dg3lv=20 Tobias

Am 17.02.2014 23:01, schrieb Markus Vester:
> Dave, = many=20 thanks for the report!
> I'm currently testing frequency diversity = as a=20 possible anti-QSB
> measure, simultaneously transmitting on 472.8, = 473.8=20 and 474.8. I'm also
> listening on these three QRGs.
> Will = look for=20 QSO activity in a few minutes.
> Best 73,
> Markus=20 (DF6NM)
>
> *From:* Dave G3WCB. <mailto:ganymede444@btopenworl= d.com>
>=20 *Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2014 10:51 PM
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org>
>=20 *Subject:* LF: DF6NM beacon..
>
> Hi,=20 Markus.
>
>     I'm copying your CW = beacon on=20 472.8 RST 539. Your signals are very
>     = steady with=20 hardly any QSB.
>     I don't think I've heard = you on=20 CW before. RX antenna is a tuned
>     80cm = square=20 loop with a pre-amp.
>       TEST ON = 472R8=20 KHZ ......VVV TEST DE DF6NM....etc
>     73, = Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor under Thames.
>
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