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Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and far far away [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.99.196 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d315c81827f71be07030d900195100c1 Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CEB476.7E305380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2572 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CEB476.7E305380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan yes its obious from my Dst analysis that this only points to = one cause of attenuation. My guess is "leakage" for your path which is = probably not polar. Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Hi Alan,=20 The DST stuff may not look that bad but i didn't get a single WSPR-15 = decode on LF by UA0SNV, so there must be something wrong! ;-) 73, Stefan Am 18.09.2013 00:05, schrieb Alan Melia:=20 Hi Laurence yes its possible the proton didnt seem to be up on NOAA = and at this time of year there is still a reasonable amount of daylight = so I dont really know I havent found any other mechanism that account = for that amount of change. The Dst isnt brilliant but its not that bad = and bouncing around a bit so there is nothing there to suggest big = absorption. The only thing is the surprisingly quiet nature oof Solar = actiity for this time in the cycle. How long has it been depressedthat = badly with you?? Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL7 L=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: RE: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Thanks Alan - yep could be leakage but this morning I see the = low/high Proton levels were way up just for a short while and now back = down to flat line too - though I see whe are going to get a little = Coronal for a while. =20 This isnt just on LF MF but even HF is a little depressed - so = maybe a little kick of the present mid lat K3 will help. Odd stuff = this... DCF39 is something like >50dBr or more down on where it was this = time last year (on a good day) =20 Even the Path to Texas wasnt good last night at MF. Cheers from a = snowy hilled Alaska =20 =20 Laurence KL 7 L =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: alan.melia@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:11:12 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Hi Laurence, thaksor your observations. It does not seem to = absorpyion by precipitated electrons. However the solar X-ray flux has = been very quiet for some time now(which is a bit odd) I wonder if we = are suffering ionospheric leakage at least on your path. That is where = not all th signal is refracted but a considerble portion goes right = through the E layer out into space?? If that is the case what we might need is a minor geeomag storm to = beef up the electron density again. Alan G3NYK ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CEB476.7E305380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan yes its obious from my Dst = analysis that=20 this only points to one cause of attenuation. My guess is "leakage" for = your=20 path which is probably not polar.
 
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, = 2013 12:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole = and far=20 far away

Hi Alan,

The DST stuff may not look that bad = but i=20 didn't get a single WSPR-15 decode on LF by UA0SNV, so there must be = something=20 wrong! ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 18.09.2013 00:05, schrieb Alan = Melia:=20
Hi Laurence yes its possible the = proton didnt=20 seem to be up on NOAA and at this time of year there is still a = reasonable=20 amount of daylight so I dont really know I havent found any other = mechanism=20 that account for that amount of change. The Dst isnt brilliant but = its not=20 that bad and bouncing around a bit so there is nothing there to = suggest big=20 absorption. The only thing is the surprisingly quiet nature oof = Solar=20 actiity for this time in the cycle. How long has it been = depressedthat badly=20 with you??
 
Alan
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Laurence KL7 L To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:37 PM Subject:=20 RE: LF: Over the Pole and far far away

Thanks Alan - yep could be = leakage but this=20 morning I see the low/high Proton levels  were way = up just=20 for a short while and now back down to flat line too - though = I see=20 whe are going to get a little Coronal for a=20 while.
 
This isnt just on LF MF but even HF is a = little=20 depressed -  so maybe a little kick of the present mid lat K3 = will=20 help.  Odd stuff this... DCF39 is something like = >50dBr or=20 more down on where it was this time last year (on a good=20 day)
 
Even the Path to Texas wasnt good last night at = MF.=20 Cheers from a snowy hilled Alaska
 
 
Laurence = KL 7=20 L
 
From: alan.melia@btinternet.comTo:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:11:12 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole = and far=20 far away

Hi Laurence, thaksor your = observations. It=20 does not seem to absorpyion by precipitated electrons. However the = solar=20 X-ray flux has been very quiet for some time now(which is a bit = odd) =20 I wonder if we are suffering ionospheric leakage at least on your = path.=20 That is where not all th signal is refracted but a = considerble=20 portion goes right through the E layer out into = space??
 
If that is the case what we might = need is a=20 minor geeomag storm to beef up the electron density = again.
 
Alan G3NYK
 
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