Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44ca1356490; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:23:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29CB238000380; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P0Nwj-00009G-6j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:21:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P0NwY-000097-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:21:14 +0100 Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.25] helo=sasl.smtp.pobox.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P0NwX-0007Uq-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:21:16 +0100 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45438D9396 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=message-id :date:to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; s=sasl; bh=E//4 beoDhr4pzQ9rfQzYoyFcnm0=; b=FfH1cNGyVfFJMYPyzkLgYwQ1HT+mPGctKk0R pJACm7W0D4nOI3QRrvnkpPuoV5NMvD7SI8JjXJGMRmbMJUfQv/lrG7XItuJeTUVv V8PfzRuQB7v5NLWpuH9CFzf1ZgXC+5k+8cpeamqjLekpDfwtaPoYVn+reRTT43Dv eie7ZYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=message-id:date :to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=VFG 62XBHyudNMlukn8pNJxCxyBql1Q5svDYX2F8xpfPYccRTvWTiPpPz9gVMzGTA4In ncqqKRHBTLkI7z2sG8K6jScekYAt1q2X6TLdFJ5Y/NcZZJ84s+NZugOA77XofaJb 7Qc1w+FTemyxu4HwE0Mls5+yyhAKsvj3Vl5OxUWQ= Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420C3D9395 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fast-one.pobox.com (unknown [71.178.114.124]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E8DB6D9394 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20100927193758.03c48ea8@erols.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:20:51 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Nan and Sandy Sanders Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 4A276FF0-CA96-11DF-84C5-030CEE7EF46B-16367692!a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com DomainKey-Status: good X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Earth Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m277.1 ; domain : pobox.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44ca1356226cb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi all. About 8 or 9 years ago AMRAD installed what we called an earth bipole. From our web page http://www.amrad.org/projects/lf/ "AMRAD has built a 1500 foot long bipole antenna. This is a wire that goes through the woods and is connected on one end to a 300 foot steel well casing and a ground rod in lake on the other. It is tuned to resonance with two large coils near the ends and a ferrite toroid transformer gets it all to 50 ohms for the transmitter. Initially it was not strong back here in the Washington DC area. But now it looks like the signal is pretty good further out. It may favor sky wave to ground wave. Recent results have been good with reception into London, Ontario Canada by Mitch Powell VE3OT. His zipped .wav file can be downloaded here. Note that it is almost 750k. This reception is about 324 miles or 521 km. Closer in we have reception confirmed from Steve Dove W3EEE/G3YDV at Mt. Gretna PA. " Note: here= http://www.amrad.org/projects/lf/wa2.zip The wire was attached to trees about 15 feet off the ground and it was fed about 100w and keyed at 5 wpm. We always had problems getting people to listen for us outside the local area. We lost interest after our FCC would not give us 137Khz as an amateur band. One thing I learned during the installation of this antenna is that if you step into waist deep mud and cannot get your self out, your fellow amateurs will laugh and take photos of you before they will help you get out. I think that AMRADs and Stefan's experience show that this type of antenna is worth some investigation. Sandy WB5MMB