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Content preview: thanks for the grabber, Eddie GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 08.02.2013 21:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Re: 8970.022 Hz Hi Uwe / LF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5bc6e377a7e48238fb2d1143b58fab98 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: 8970.022 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----35C5A032B6824B179533F9A4E2AAC841" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b5115735e7a06 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------35C5A032B6824B179533F9A4E2AAC841 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the grabber, Eddie GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 08=2E02=2E2013 21:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz Hi Uwe / LF I am not leaving my Grabber http://www=2Eg3zjo=2Etalktalk=2Enet/vlfgra= bber=2Ehtm on 24/7 these days=2E I am following your test during my wak= ing hours=2E :-)=20 Due to this I am just using the DFCW6000 424uHz set up=2E Today produc= ed a very nice line, one of the best days=2E When the RX is off the Grabber displays the last RX period=2E Thanks for the signal=2E 73 Eddie G3ZJO=20 On 08/02/2013 14:17, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede wrote: =20 Hello Peter and Markus, =20 I like playing around with the Todmorden grabber site=2E =20 when I first saw all the gaps in=A0 the trace at 8970=2E0225Hz I was so= mewhat =A0horrified; did the TX switch off and on that often? no, it was permanent on the air as shown by Peters and Lubos grabbers=2E= =20 changing the rcv direction of the Todmorden aerial I found the gaps fil= led=2E p=2Ee=2E, when switching from the should be 80dgr to 70dgr the gap at = abt 1700UTC the 7th of this month filled,=20 but others came up of course=2E =20 seems the reflecting clouds are found off the line btwn RX and TX stn t= oo sometimes=2E the distance btwn my location and Todmorden is 765km=2E =20 GL =20 Uwe/dj8wx =20 Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 07=2E02=2E2013 22:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz Peter,=20 > Around 12 h UTC the signal is the weakest in my oppinion=2E=20 This depends on=A0distance, frequency and the diurnal=A0variation of=A0= ionospheric height (the ceiling of the waveguide), resulting in constru= ctive or destructive superposition of groundwave and one-hop skywave=2E= =A0=A09 kHz propagation between Stefan and myself (also about 180 km) e= xhibited=A0the same minimum=A0at noon=2E=A0On the other hand, 400 km to= OK or OE=A0were usually best around=A0midday=2E=20 Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) =20 From: PA1SDB, Peter =20 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:37 PM=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Subject: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz =20 Hello Uwe, VLF=20 I did try to find the signal maximums since ~3 Feb=2E=20 Here they are=2E=2E=2E=20 06h17=A0 15h40=20 ?????=A0=A0=A016h20=20 0730=A0=A0=A0 17h38=20 ?????=A0=A0=A016h00=20 The ???? are because there was interference or sort of=2E=20 Looks like there are some maximums around sunrise and sunset=2E=20 Around 12 h UTC the signal is the weakest in my oppinion=2E=20 Best 73's Peter - PA1SDB=20 www=2Eqsl=2Enet/pa1sdb=20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:18 PM=20 Subject: LF: 8970=2E022 Hz=20 Hi dreamers, =20 =A0the TX was off from abt 1230UTC until 1440UTC today because 1)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 my XYL was working in the greenhouses (metal framed)= and 2)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I took the advantage repairing the aerial (one of th= e anchorage ropes didn=92t stand the sparks)=2E =20 GL =20 Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv ------35C5A032B6824B179533F9A4E2AAC841 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for the grabber, Eddie

GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 08=2E02=2E2013 21:09
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz

Hi Uwe / LF

I am not leaving my Grabber http://www=2Eg3zjo=2Etalktalk=2Enet/vlfgrabber=2E= htm on 24/7 these days=2E I am following your test during my waking hours=2E :-)
Due to this I am just using the DFCW6000 424uHz set up=2E Today produced a very nice line, one of the best days=2E

When the RX is off the Grabber displays the last RX period=2E

Thanks for the signal=2E

73 Eddie G3ZJO

On 08/02/2013 14:17, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede wrote:

Hello Peter and Markus,

I like playing around with the Todmorden grabber site=2E

when I first saw all the gaps in  the trace at 8970=2E0225Hz I was somewhat  horrified;
did the TX switch off and on that often?
no, it was permanent on the air as shown by Peters and Lubos grabbers=2E

changing the rcv direction of the Todmorden aerial I found the gaps filled=2E
p=2Ee=2E, when switching from the should be 80dgr to 70dgr the gap at abt 1700UTC the 7th of this month filled,
but others came up of course=2E

seems the reflecting clouds are found off the line btwn RX and TX stn too sometimes=2E
the distance btwn my location and Todmorden is 765km=2E

GL

Uwe/dj8wx


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 07=2E02=2E2013 22:15
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz

Peter,
 
> Around 12 h UTC the signal is the weakest in my oppinion=2E
 
This depends on distance, frequency and the diurnal variation of ionospheric height (the ceiling of the waveguide), resulting in constructive or destructive superposition of groundwave and one-hop skywave=2E  9 kHz propagation between Stefan and myself (also about 180 km) exhibited the same minimum at noon=2E&nbs= p;On the other hand, 400 km to OK or OE were usually best around midday=2E
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
&nbs= p;
&nbs= p;

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 8970=2E022 Hz

Hello Uwe, VLF
I did try to find the signal maximums since ~3 Feb=2E
Here they are=2E=2E=2E
 
06h17  15h40
?????   16h20=
0730    17h38=
?????   16h00=
 
The ???? are because there was interference or sort of=2E
Looks like there are some maximums around sunrise and sunset=2E
 
Around 12 h UTC the signal is the weakest in my oppinion=2E
 
Best 73's Peter - PA1SDB
 
www=2Eqsl=2Enet/pa1sdb<= /div>
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:18 PM
Subject: LF: 8970=2E022 Hz

Hi dreamers,

 the TX was off from abt 1230UTC until 1440UTC today because
1)      my XYL was working in the greenhouses (metal framed) and
2)    &n= bsp; I took the advantage repairing the aerial (one of the anchorage ropes didn’t stand the sparks)=2E

GL

Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv

 


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