Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF055-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:44:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmp-0002Oc-Ch for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmo-0002OT-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:46 +0000 Received: from n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.209]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLDpZ-00035a-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504897.1249.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47223 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=P2yd2jz1qbsALyFZiujqho4aaKO6Vne0J6apfY7hxQZugf2rULougcnbpMGldMU9Dcu3/1sU45YhjBwd8Byf8N7ggFZTJjp0mskAm7E7ZvPw8AskqQgKQ5MK99Qt384bmkJ4/2/JPOKYXb6hoHV9EQg3OGR2+037DMjTuXzRgVY= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp139.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 02:43:29 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: rBIPiboVM1nS14rVTbYbjMXyosG0J2c9p6tjvoHPF9xLzGj2S.NiX6TbCwqNiZQvKyRwESzkq202CwuOETtY9wmF82hWH26VyV54aa1d6rtjPUctsWQVJpiyfmP6G_E0PgNkR3NpHDHYRfP8dZcTdMnQxq6ZOnC0TggtR6sDJlTQJEWWzl3OsnHG3Nm5p6RJDqb1SCsGNgDnnsmw8OJWdgkeyCbv1upBWffVeHSZplLQ2sw9sU96h3NSxVKqAMl9k1xL_TP3hCOoIswEqX8tW.k03yAQoPl4beStKmSFbttZnIxiqHbirlieCKi7_fbSKWKVNy1YVcFanU9APi2N8t1IFmO7PSPMjTvaNtZR0yCieGT67A9zK.UKGKVLSzDbaJGooas- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and optical safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to have a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a problem, similarly at the receive end. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Stöcker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few meters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no great deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, especially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swinging fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few others. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/