Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u8JKAxKr031597 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:10:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bm4rL-0007Fz-Uz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:08:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bm4rL-0007Fq-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:08:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>) id 1bm4rJ-0004dQ-Rb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:08:10 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.29]) by mwinf5d60 with ME id lY871t0010dxF2v03Y87XL; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:08:07 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:08:07 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.29 Message-ID: <6F03A683945045E39F25AB7ED17A44A1@AGB> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> References: <57DFBEB8.7010207@lineone.net> <E6CEB6CECE844CDDB328F9470A044D6F@AGB> <57E03937.2090308@lineone.net> In-Reply-To: <57E03937.2090308@lineone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:08:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: Re: LF: A few reports Sept 18th to 19th Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8803 Hi Hugh Its a little messy , when stations use half of the system , its possible to enter the dynamic list , by running the opera app and clicking Tx on 136 and/or 477, once in the list, random noise can trick the comparator, to show a match, the tell tail is the time and if the station is using a fixed frequency , the recovered frequency from the app should be the same .. Its possible, to be spotted by the dynamic system and never actually TX, ie , by up loading a call , hence the system cross checks with other users for a time match, but this is the downside of the extra 5 or 6 dB gained by pattern matching , [136 and 477 only] , that's the same for any correlation system 73-G example of time stamp quality check , g4wgt has decode at 1929 , DL-SWL has detection, the spot times meet the check limits = ok 19:29 477 G0NBD de DL-SWL Op8 569 mi -32 dB F:10% in 1502,2 Hz 19:29 477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op8 21 mi -9 dB F:19% in Chorley, IO83qo, 1511.2 Hz Ik1HGI decode with DF8UO , then qty-3 dynamic spots at the same time = ok as well 19:37 477 IK1HGI de DF1VB Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in Dortmund 1496,1 Hz 19:37 477 IK1HGI de DF1VB/1 Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in Dortmund 1496,3 Hz 19:37 477 IK1HGI de F6CNI Op8 Deep Search -35 dB in JN19QB 19:36 477 IK1HGI de DF8UO Op8 -27 dB F:14% in Karlsruhe random noise has triggered g4wgt by vk - '??' = false g4wgt not sending at this time 18:29 477 G4WGT de VK3XHM Op8 Deep Search ?? -37 dB in Melbourne Australia 1503.4 Hz '??' Not known , if the next spot from df1vb/1 shows 1510 Hz , then is valid , if not = false 18:12 477 G0NBD de DF1VB/1 Op8 Deep Search ?? 465 mi -37 dB in Dortmund 1510,0 Hz My local spots for df1vb = same frequency = ok 19:48 477 DF1VB Op8 Deep Search -35 dB 1496.1 Hz 18:42 477 DF1VB Op8 Deep Search -36 dB 1496.1 Hz -------------------------------------------------- From: "LineOne" <dhchurch@lineone.net> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:15 PM To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: Re: LF: A few reports Sept 18th to 19th > Hello Graham. > > It was a suspect positive at 1702 but it's a bit too late to double check > the dynamic list and other receiving stations though I recall > transmissions were listed at several times in succession but differ from > my report. I suppose there are other possibilities such as his entering > the wrong frequency. Rightly or wrongly my posting was only information > for the sending stations and I naturally rejected all the other suspect > reports. > > 73, Hugh, M0DSZ > > On 19/09/2016 16:27, Graham wrote: >> Hugh >> >> For the call to be in the dynamic list , it has to be either by the >> TX station using the opera app and setting TX with 136 selected , >> the web - beacon will update the system , or QTY 2 decodes of the same >> call by other stations ... >> >> The call must of been in the list , for you to spot it .. [ dynamic >> only compares the call's listed ] >> >> If the class cannot use 136 , then its possible you have a false >> positive >> >> Where you the only station to see the call at 17-02 ? if so, then >> the web linked spot would of been stamped '??' >> >> 73-G, >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "LineOne" <dhchurch@lineone.net> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:32 AM >> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <hugh@dhchurch.eclipse.co.uk> >> Subject: LF: A few reports Sept 18th to 19th >> >>> A few reports overnight from Sept 18th to 19th: >>> >>> WSPR15 >>> 1600 -13 0.8 0.137620 1 DK7FC JN49 30 >>> 1630 -14 0.8 0.137620 0 DK7FC JN49 30 >>> and then consistently until: >>> 2330 -12 0.4 0.137620 0 DK7FC JN49 30 >>> 0030 -34 0.4 0.137603 0 R7NT KN97 53 >>> 0230 -35 0.4 0.137603 0 R7NT KN97 53 >>> 2145 -9 -0.6 0.137623 0 G8HUH IO81 20 >>> 2215 -11 -0.9 0.137623 0 G8HUH IO81 20 >>> >>> WSPR2 >>> 0850 -32 -0.5 0.137459 0 DF1VB JO31 13 437 >>> >>> OPERA32 >>> 17:02 -42 1468.4 Hz DO5JWA >>> (deep search: appears to be correct) >>> >>> Hugh, M0DSZ >>> >> >> > >