Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-b2949a3298913a; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:56:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b2949a3298913a; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:56:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LbjiI-0007nj-UK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LbjiI-0007na-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LbjiG-00074Y-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LbjiG-0006T3-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:48 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LbjiF-0000o7-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: <6EB8BCCB9A5242528BFCA39D36F9A15A@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <49A30C77.4050301@telia.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:55:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: More WSPRing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi all, Not withstanding the fickle nature of propagation, my WSPR / Grabber receive antenna is not the most efficient, and does suffer from an elevated noise floor compared to my main station antenna. Signals are typically 6dB stronger on the inverted L, though I have not spent any great effort quantifying the differences. One of the true benefits of WSPR is measurement of signal level variations at one location, but to get meaningful data on relative strength between stations would take many receive stations with identical equipment. That is of course eminently possible, a cheap PC and a standard ferrite rod active receive system + simple SDR would enable a major propagation study. Most amateurs have a PC and internet, if a cheap design were published for a WSPR monitor station, we could potentially get many listening stations QRV and gather a lot of interesting data. not many transmitters need be on, so no problem for non NOV holders. With other 'front ends' any band could be monitored. How cheap can we make such a system, is anyone interested? Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: More WSPRing > That's very interesting - I appear to be 10 - 15dB better S/N with > you Johan (-5db S/N) at 1200km, than with GM4ISM (-20dB S/N) at 577km. > > Background noise levels ? > Sea path ? > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/2/23 Johan H. Bodin : >> Solid copy in JO67MR Andy, including the CW ID! >> >> >> 73 >> Johan SM6LKM >> >> Andy Talbot wrote: >>> 503.870 +23dBm ERP running now, 34.375% duty cycle ... >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.g4jnt.com >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 07:17:00