Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6FAD6380000AE; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QrEqV-0004wL-1U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QrEqU-0004wC-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:53:42 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f173.google.com ([209.85.215.173]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QrEqS-0007dR-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:53:42 +0100 Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so1323073eyb.4 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:53:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=NraTJbxj8PQIDm3/1k5lZupSjcbiQLXCCqLD0yX0Fck=; b=Rba8uS/+CL/SoNFE3vSkVgWYiITN0Pz3Gbng7VahV4yo/VIzR95HckWB88ZypeOHb9 AIJdD6tRLVOB7KnbZrJwgqG1iqYjc0Rch5S2EPzweVXNL4ypspxnzTxg0QzeRfEIqAFY PMW8X7+cF4U+qRiR33eSVAScLI4t0fN4J6fGk= Received: by 10.213.99.206 with SMTP id v14mr341906ebn.89.1313006014164; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PcMinto (h50208.upc-h.chello.nl [62.194.50.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm576563eeb.45.2011.08.10.12.53.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6D253EC1EC0744139F7186331062B728@PcMinto> From: Minto Witteveen To: References: <008901cc578f$a7f78c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <008901cc578f$a7f78c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:53:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 137 PROBE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC57A7.EEA2BFA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:395547264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d003.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554e42e236334f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC57A7.EEA2BFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, Simple CW signal on 137 you say=E2=80=A6 Here it is not so simple. When I use the =E2=80=98random length of wire = over a tree=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 i.e. my HF end-fed 30 meter long antenna = -the S/N is at least 20 dB worse than with my current miniwhip setup.=20 That=E2=80=99s what causes the problems and technical difficulties here. = So for all its (real and alleged) shortcomings, the miniwhip does serve = its purpose. Minto pa3bca -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 20:59 To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: 137 PROBE Ref recent emails about probe antennas. How can receiving a simple cw = signal on 137 create such problems and technical difficulties. Try throwing a random length of wire over a tree instead. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CC57A7.EEA2BFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mal,

Simple CW signal on 137 you say=E2=80=A6 <big = grin>
Here it is not=20 so simple. When I use the =E2=80=98random length of wire over a = tree=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 i.e. my HF=20 end-fed 30 meter long antenna -the S/N is at least 20 dB worse than with = my=20 current miniwhip setup.
That=E2=80=99s what causes the problems and = technical=20 difficulties here. So for all its (real and alleged) shortcomings, the = miniwhip=20 does serve its purpose.

Minto pa3bca
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Ceterum=20 censeo Carthaginem delendam esse
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 20:59
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: 137 PROBE
 
Ref recent emails about probe antennas. How can = receiving=20 a simple cw signal on 137 create such problems and technical=20 difficulties.
Try throwing a random length of wire over a tree = instead.
 
 
g3kev
 
 
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