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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok That would explain the situation A quick fix could be to run the Op software , which should register your locator / call in the data base, then range calculations should be correct ...... or simple run the software with 'NO' radio attached , so the web beacons are sent and you would receive your decodes directly ? 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Yes have been watching the progress of your correlation system , = the Opera system is designed to be used with normal tx/rx and = in place of the CW key , so technically the designer was = blindfolded and could only used one hand !=20 Jose expects a s/n improvement of 6dB , that's 6 dB less , = from a change to the modulator, I think PSK is his choice , but = then as you can see , many stations could not then send the = mode , Op detection is also single pass , He had though of = changing to psk, but that would of cut most of the MF/LF = station's out of the script ! But if you can extract another 10 dB , then this looks good = for Stefan's VK or Bust game ! ....... and OP4 Hour , 8KHz = audio , that would be a interesting challenge , could the = system be used at 8KHz to give extended range to the Dreamer band = ? 73-Graham. Mr GOOGLE says you make bread ?=20 http://www.eigenbroetler.info/index.php?id=3D80 From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:20 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: Reception report from Norway Thanks Robert and Graham.=20 Being a bit of an "Eigenbroetler" I decided not to use the Opera = software from Jose Ros but rather make my own. Thus there is no internet = broadcasting when I transmit, and PSK reporter apparently assigns some = wrong default QTH to incoming reception reports. My little transmit software (including sources) is on=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/opera/ and Wolf's sound utilities can be found in http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip If you want to use it, you have to generate an Opera 110... sequence = once for your callsign by typing opgen df6nm >opera.txt into a DOS box, and expand it to an opera.dat file containing 16 = IQ-samples per symbol using optxtdat Then to start a transmit session, type start sndoutpt /sr=3D12000 /dec=3D6144 /fc=3D2070 which opens a tiny SndOutpt window and waits to be fed with an IQ data = file. The upsampling factor dec is 750 times the dash length in seconds, = and should be 6144 for Op-32 or 1536 for Op-8 mode. The desired audio = frequency fc can also be edited at runtime. Finally the transmission is = initiated by=20 copy opera.dat audio.dat A nice feature on the side is that the dashes will have smooth edges, = which minimize keyclicks when used with a linear transmitter. I'm still working on the receive side, and the first results using = coherent correlation have been very promising. Best 73, MArkus Re: Reception report from Norway=20 Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:59 pm=20 "graham787" =20 Well, I think DF6NM is also confused as to why he is located in the UK .... all we can ask is that Markus checks the qra locator entered into = Opera and if this is correct, then ,will have to flag this up to Philip / Jose = (PSK Map)for investigation The Phantom (of the opera) Tx spots are to ensure Rx stations are = showing=20 on the psk-map 'before' any decode is made ... a handy check as often = you=20 could be the 'only' station on the band and with 32 mins tx cycle , its=20 nice to know there is someone at the other end ! 73 -Graham. --- In rsgb_lf_group@..., "robert_la4ana" wrote: > > Thanks to all for last night's TX activity. It was very helpful in = order to gain an impression of my new 136 kHz receive set-up. I am currently = using a untuned 65 square meter loop antenna (oriented North/South) and a = Kenwood TS-590, no seperate pre-amp (yet). > > During my first "night at the Opera" I received the following stations = (data recovery from PSK-reporter): > > sNR mode MHz rxTime Call Loc > -28 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 19:30 PA0A JO33DE > -34 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 20:07 G3XDV IO91VT > -25 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 20:28 PA0A JO33DE > -33 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 20:40 G3XDV IO91VT > -35 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 21:13 G3XDV IO91VT > -38 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 21:45 G3XDV IO91VT > -13 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 21:57 DK7FC JN49IK > -37 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 22:18 G3XDV IO91VT > -14 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 22:29 DK7FC JN49IK > -31 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 22:56 DF6NM IO91UX > -31 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 23:24 G3XDV IO91VT > -37 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 01:10 G3XDV IO91VT > -35 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 01:43 G3XDV IO91VT > -34 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 02:16 G3XDV IO91VT > -30 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 02:48 G3XDV IO91VT > -29 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 03:21 G3XDV IO91VT > -25 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 03:54 G3XDV IO91VT > -35 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 04:27 G3XDV IO91VT > > It puzzles me a bit to receive DF6NM at locator IO91UX instead of in = Germany, but it seems that some other stations also report that locator. In = addition, PSK-reporter is reporting many decodes of my own call. However, I was = not transmitting nor did I activate the Opera beacon function. May be = someone can explain, as I am relatively new to Opera and PSK-reporter. > > Keep up the good work. I hope to join as a transmitting station as = well in the not too distant future. > > 73 de Robert > LA4ANA > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD8B89.1994E060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok That  would  explain  the  situation  =
 
A quick  fix  could  be  to  run the Op=20 software   , which  should  register  = your =20 locator / call   in the  data  base, then  = range =20 calculations  should  be  correct ...... or  = simple =20 run the  software  with  'NO'  radio  = attached  ,=20 so  the  web beacons  are sent and  you =20 would  receive  your  decodes  directly ?
 
 
Yes  have been  watching  the  progress of=20 your   correlation  system , the  Opera  = system =20 is designed  to  be  used  with  normal =20 tx/rx  and  in place of the  CW key , so  = technically =20 the  designer  was  blindfolded  and  = could  only=20 used  one  hand ! 
 
Jose expects  a  s/n  improvement  = of  =20 6dB  , that's  6  dB  less  , from  = a =20 change  to the  modulator,  I think  PSK   is = his =20 choice , but  then  as  you  can  see  ,=20 many  stations could  not  then  send  = the  mode ,=20 Op detection  is  also  single  pass  , He had=20 though  of changing  to  psk, but  that  = would =20 of  cut  most of the  MF/LF  station's   = out of=20 the  script  !
 
But  if  you  can  extract  another  = 10 dB ,=20 then  this  looks  good  for =20 Stefan's    VK or  Bust  game  !  = .......=20 and  OP4 Hour  , 8KHz  audio  , that  = would  be=20 a  interesting  challenge , could   the   = system=20 be  used  at  8KHz to  give  extended  = range to=20 the  Dreamer band  ?
 
73-Graham.
 
 
 
 
Mr GOOGLE   says  you  make  bread  ? =
 
http://www.eigen= broetler.info/index.php?id=3D80
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:20 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Re: Reception report from = Norway

Thanks Robert and Graham.=20
 
Being a = bit of an=20 "Eigenbroetler" I decided not to use the Opera software from Jose Ros = but rather=20 make my own. Thus there is no internet broadcasting when I transmit, and = PSK=20 reporter apparently assigns some wrong default QTH to incoming reception = reports.
 
My = little=20 transmit software (including sources) is on
 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/opera/<= /A>
and=20 Wolf's sound utilities can be found in
 http://www.qsl.n= et/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip
 
If you = want to=20 use it, you have to generate an Opera 110... sequence once for your = callsign by=20 typing
 opgen df6nm >opera.txt
into a DOS box, and expand = it to an=20 opera.dat file containing 16 IQ-samples per symbol = using
 optxtdat
Then to = start a=20 transmit session, type
 start sndoutpt /sr=3D12000 /dec=3D6144=20 /fc=3D2070
which opens a tiny SndOutpt window and waits to be fed = with an IQ=20 data file. The upsampling factor dec is 750 times the dash length in = seconds,=20 and should be 6144 for Op-32 or 1536 for Op-8 mode. The desired audio = frequency=20 fc can also be edited at runtime. Finally the transmission is=20 initiated by
 copy opera.dat audio.dat
A nice feature on the = side is=20 that the dashes will have smooth edges, which minimize keyclicks when = used with=20 a linear transmitter.
 
I'm = still working=20 on the receive side, and the first results using coherent correlation = have been=20 very promising.
 
Best=20 73,
MArkus

Re: Reception report from Norway
Tue Sep = 4, 2012=20 5:59 pm
"graham787" <g0nbd@...>
 
Well, I = think=20 DF6NM is also confused as to why he is located in the UK
.... all we = can ask=20 is that Markus checks the qra locator entered into Opera
and if this = is=20 correct, then ,will have to flag this up to Philip / Jose = (PSK
Map)for=20 investigation
 
The = Phantom (of=20 the opera) Tx spots are to ensure Rx stations are showing
on the = psk-map=20 'before' any decode is made ... a handy check as often you
could be = the=20 'only' station on the band and with 32 mins tx cycle , its
nice to = know=20 there is someone at the other end !
 
73 = -Graham.
 
--- In=20 rsgb_lf_group@..., "robert_la4ana" <la4ana73@...> = wrote:
>
>=20 Thanks to all for last night's TX activity. It was very helpful in order = to
gain an impression of my new 136 kHz receive set-up. I am = currently using=20 a
untuned 65 square meter loop antenna (oriented North/South) and a=20 Kenwood
TS-590, no seperate pre-amp (yet).
>
> During my = first=20 "night at the Opera" I received the following stations (data
recovery = from=20 PSK-reporter):
>
> sNR mode MHz rxTime Call Loc
> -28 = OPERA=20 0.136000 03.09.2012 19:30 PA0A JO33DE
> -34 OPERA 0.136000 = 03.09.2012=20 20:07 G3XDV IO91VT
> -25 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 20:28 PA0A=20 JO33DE
> -33 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 20:40 G3XDV IO91VT
> = -35=20 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 21:13 G3XDV IO91VT
> -38 OPERA 0.136000=20 03.09.2012 21:45 G3XDV IO91VT
> -13 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 = 21:57 DK7FC=20 JN49IK
> -37 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 22:18 G3XDV IO91VT
> = -14=20 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 22:29 DK7FC JN49IK
> -31 OPERA 0.136000=20 03.09.2012 22:56 DF6NM IO91UX
> -31 OPERA 0.136000 03.09.2012 = 23:24 G3XDV=20 IO91VT
> -37 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 01:10 G3XDV IO91VT
> = -35=20 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 01:43 G3XDV IO91VT
> -34 OPERA 0.136000=20 04.09.2012 02:16 G3XDV IO91VT
> -30 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 = 02:48 G3XDV=20 IO91VT
> -29 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 03:21 G3XDV IO91VT
> = -25=20 OPERA 0.136000 04.09.2012 03:54 G3XDV IO91VT
> -35 OPERA 0.136000=20 04.09.2012 04:27 G3XDV IO91VT
>
> It puzzles me a bit to = receive=20 DF6NM at locator IO91UX instead of in Germany,
but it seems that some = other=20 stations also report that locator. In addition,
PSK-reporter is = reporting=20 many decodes of my own call. However, I was not
transmitting nor did = I=20 activate the Opera beacon function. May be someone can
explain, as I = am=20 relatively new to Opera and PSK-reporter.
>
> Keep up the = good work.=20 I hope to join as a transmitting station as well in the
not too = distant=20 future.
>
> 73 de Robert
>=20 LA4ANA
>
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