Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xK-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xB-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1lpR-00061s-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 98909 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 18:26:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=nDu6LReJVSZ1SFF48SgfGzTJwgIL6YYB2Nw+Ppe8Ju4TEHBk54tKXYxZM8CgZzEVgKtF2gK1hfI+JVD+JV71IdKYiXTclwYmeRWZ1Ha3gNCPoJzXdfQucHb6Kuf1xSkgY2shXsoa88ZGm96M0eskv6QEBTPhRgdZJKNMc5QWZZI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 18:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MwfifFMVM1lrXEaTkU7soYGz5Q86WUfuwkB3I_2OIFbFiIhe2KD3y41ZFQJz8MzJePTFbNZDIV7KWQ5ppIr_u5_oX3BBhKNrzJqV81wgxY587cfnyuLPk.H5rwXSZ.ICXt2SvXvlK4cHZDzsmhX2U28puFFD8_HCtpre34KKG5jk9_0dpKVTP5Fk_ha4JqzE52GauSx_zBxIwpRMQe2ugULzpeLCjZ6sKUzJr.jXZIK3CrcoFjs9JFh3M2xGiDBCXDhsy4zaT4XmtVPBLTCILrhrsa4Bfif.JV70KQ1I9ezUkexOmHYl0ZsC_3mcZ.4tFL_Lefm1SkPM_qSgykuhfXZSbOQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:26:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a real handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and the sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable 500kHz antenna. For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as an umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS box under Windows 98 and Vista here. For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground needs to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground rods connected together works well as a ground. There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm Hope to work you /P soon... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU > >> Dear all >> >> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >>