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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Not to mention Mal The technical entry point is being raised all the time as well , why should new modes exceed the capability of most stations requiring them have to have GPS locked frequency and time standards , phase continuous carrier generation coupled with the ability to generate complex modulation's ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 55db901127f87fafbf8ae301dac99c44 Subject: Re: LF: LF es MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CDF680.5C5F03F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601550fafd1979ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CDF680.5C5F03F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to mention Mal =20 The technical entry point is being raised all the time as well = , why should new modes exceed the capability of most stations = requiring them have to have GPS locked frequency and time = standards , phase continuous carrier generation coupled with the = ability to generate complex modulation's ? When even radiating a signal on 500 is going to be a challenge ? may = be we should of called Opera 'limbo' as it technical requirement = entry point is so low , its well under the under the new-wave = tech-no radar , but punches well above it's weight .... ) G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: LF es MF Laurence tnx for the info. The excitement of 136 Khz has long gone when there was no Internet = involvement. I used to call CQ on CW or QRSS and QSX 7033 Kcs. The = excitement started when I got replies from the USA and Canada to the = West and the Russians the East. and conducted a proper two way QSO, plus lots of CW QSO'S around EU There is no pleasure churning out a BEACON 24/7 unattended and hoping = that someone reports reception via the Internet. I only Transmit if there is a chance of getting a two way QSO. It worked = well back then so that is what I expect now. The same applies to MF. That band has also turned into a BEACON 24/7 = operation most of the time. Machine handshaking Machine if the Machine is lucky !! G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL1 X=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF es MF Look forward to seeing your signal in KL7 someday Mal - hasnt happened = yet sadly. To date Ive never seen LF/MF signals from Eu that wouldnt require a = little more than ear/brain decode processing=20 Laurence in VE5 On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "mal hamilton" = wrote: LF es MF=20 Is there anyone able to QSO these days on either CW or QRSS on the = 136 or 472 Khz bands, or where appropriate xband. I am not interested in BEACON 24/7 hoping for a HIT somewhere in the = world.even though at this time of year propagation is optimum. I would prefer to go back to the past where QSO mode was the normal = procedure and not QSL via internet. At present I would expect to be able to QSO with KL7 es YV if they = were suitably equipped to Transmit on QRSS 30 - 60 I do not think anyone from the UK or EU has made a QSO on LF/MF in = recent years across to North America or Russia on either CW or QRSS De G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CDF680.5C5F03F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not to  mention  Mal 
 
The  technical   entry point is being  = raised =20 all  the   time  as well  , why  = should  new=20 modes  exceed  the  capability of  most = stations =20 requiring  them   have  to  have   GPS=20 locked  frequency  and  time  standards , = phase =20 continuous  carrier  generation    coupled with = the  ability to  generate  complex  = modulation's =20 ?
 
When even  radiating a signal on 500  is going to be = a =20 challenge ? may be  we  should of called  Opera  = 'limbo' as=20 it technical  requirement  entry point is so  low ,=20 its  well under the  under the new-wave =  tech-no =20 radar  , but punches well  above it's   weight .... = )
 
G..
 
 
 
 

From: mal hamilton
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:09 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: LF es MF

Laurence
tnx for the info.
The excitement of 136 Khz has long gone when = there=20 was no Internet involvement. I used to call CQ on CW or QRSS and = QSX 7033=20 Kcs. The excitement started when I got replies from the USA and = Canada to=20 the West and the Russians the East.
and conducted a proper two way QSO, = plus lots of=20 CW QSO'S around EU
There is no pleasure churning out a BEACON=20 24/7 unattended and hoping that someone reports reception via = the=20 Internet.
I only Transmit if there is a chance of = getting=20 a two way QSO. It worked well back then so that is what I expect=20 now.
The same applies to MF. That band has also = turned into a=20 BEACON 24/7 operation most of the time.
Machine handshaking Machine if the Machine is = lucky=20 !!
G3KEV
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL1 X =
Cc: rsgb
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 = 6:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF es MF

Look forward to seeing your signal in KL7 someday Mal - hasnt = happened=20 yet sadly.

 To date Ive never seen LF/MF signals from Eu that wouldnt = require a=20 little more than ear/brain decode processing 

Laurence in=20 VE5

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

LF es MF
Is there anyone able to QSO these days on = either CW or=20 QRSS on the 136 or 472 Khz bands, or where appropriate = xband.
I am not interested in BEACON 24/7 hoping = for a HIT=20 somewhere in the world.even though at this time of year propagation = is=20 optimum.
I would prefer to go back to the past where = QSO mode=20 was the normal procedure and not QSL via internet.
At present I would expect to be able to QSO = with KL7=20 es YV if they were suitably equipped to Transmit on QRSS 30 -=20 60
I do not think anyone from the UK = or EU=20  has made a QSO on LF/MF in recent years across=20 to North America or Russia on either CW or = QRSS
 
De G3KEV
 
 
 
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