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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1698992977-1302869946=:26474" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m235.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874da83818621b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1698992977-1302869946=:26474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Horst It is a sad fact but true. To some extent the UK=A0authority seems to be slightly more enlighten than= some in=20 EU. =A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 ________________________________ From: Horst St=F6cker To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 8:25:18 Subject: Re: LF: 17.2 kHz for Amateur Radio? I do not know the situation in Switzerland, but I bet it is similar as in= =20 Germany. You must not choose any frequency that seems not to be in use. Even below= 9kHz=20 the situation was not quite clear for many years. To transmit on 17,2 kHz you would have to apply for a special licence - as= for=20 500kHz e.g. But I am in doubt if you would get it. All other ways would be= =20 illegal. BTW transmitting below 9kHz or 500kHz is NOT HAM Radio in germany - no Ham= Radio=20 frequencies. Officially you must not work crossband - 500kHz / 3650kHz for= =20 example. Its a strange world. Even the DARC will see things this way. QSOs= and=20 QSLs are not valid for any contest or award. They prefer a definition by= laws=20 instead of physics ;-)) But is there any wonder? 90% of HAM Radio is rag chewing on 80m SSB.=20 Experimenters are a minority. How many hams have a computer with soundcard and how many hams are watchin= g for=20 SAQ? About 250 have confirmed the last transmissions. Unfortunately there= is=20 very few interest beside the mainstream. Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN=A0=A0 =20 Schon geh=F6rt? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die=A0=A0=A0 Toolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbar=20 --0-1698992977-1302869946=:26474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Horst
 
It is a sad fact but true.
 
To some extent the UK authority seems to be slightly more enligh= ten than some in EU.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20

=

From: Horst St=F6cker <= horst.stoecker@web.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 17.2 kHz for Amateur Radio?

I do not know the situation in Switzerland, but I bet it is simil= ar as in Germany.
You must not choose any frequency that seems not to= be in use. Even below 9kHz the situation was not quite clear for many yea= rs.
To transmit on 17,2 kHz you would have to apply for a special licen= ce - as for 500kHz e.g. But I am in doubt if you would get it. All other= ways would be illegal.
BTW transmitting below 9kHz or 500kHz is NOT HA= M Radio in germany - no Ham Radio frequencies. Officially you must not wor= k crossband - 500kHz / 3650kHz for example. Its a strange world. Even the= DARC will see things this way. QSOs and QSLs are not valid for any contest or award. Th= ey prefer a definition by laws instead of physics ;-))
But is there any= wonder? 90% of HAM Radio is rag chewing on 80m SSB. Experimenters are a= minority.
How many hams have a computer with soundcard and how many ha= ms are watching for SAQ? About 250 have confirmed the last transmissions.= Unfortunately there is very few interest beside the mainstream.
Horst= DO1KHS/DI2AN  

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Sch= on geh=F6rt? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die  &= nbsp;
Toolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbar
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