Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A6775380000A1; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rox0K-0007mg-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:58:40 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rox0K-0007mX-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:58:40 +0000 Received: from nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rox0I-0005gx-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:58:39 +0000 Received: from [212.82.108.229] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 12:58:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631404.95348.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58188 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2012 12:58:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=2gXAaGJRDwTFT7TnhisPUQw6k2pRYMNpuKKCPhcccRxIQgk5anvfii9wWWar39u0RxhV+VY9OufJMxZz5vsLkyc3PbqOk3s4+ad1WzVCMM1GF7dv/IFFURWLf5/uHzbhMP1ika99ajG530rlIc2FOPqdg3kKx53XmvFbfu2/9Ko= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1327237112; bh=Ad8uGv/JtDNUMQ9SCniEfA4558i/6Miz22MSCZ5hG+g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=B/jyHb6seULskxLc/jKwoRhRSFki259rl64IvR9GVrnyCNiib3WiBCb4yvOUzlsKx1jteTbXdw7oMYIHU5PPKQVD1ozpxlMBIK3vYsBfh8KByAkyUjzoe42o/tn9iSKVhpNzupYN3kR5NZeKPowcyI9gg/4fdmnwt1VyCDb/PU8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TDTH5XMVM1mxltlD.nPAx3yNGQzmKGKRozR6SfagW3VuFo4 IQMUCrj_R8MRVoYtDv5Mh6XnY.TGr2jPfCFcxSrk9uHMTUqhM0yg9T2Kh4ey opM2Fve7A.kUbRJkkQPfWTOxx7BpiZijBCoI5rPg4pY.3tqHgcK8Pbxa3qqo uAXeIKdLkTC3bz8jzkfutHc9thG7.StajlPLLtcHNnfHirgJyoSL2ixnamc7 c6AhRZ55MdHD6w0TPvQ3_2OEjeKf6MbIrYUGUYRAZdv.RKWXaXvBwXkOBdMA .6qPZrPw06GpkQuG4c7AOEBCo_TbHd0OAYGMTfeS20x_4BIFZYw.WbInVOYm bJEAo4mUaB5wEB.QgC8DRwhHhGmzMCqDmv7kLWcLeH4LoRB16uZvpF.xzv1k xKQFgeO3M__zd_oupfGKpWVRp5ZPxPshg X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.177.191.81 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2012 12:58:32 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <65043EEC8A5C4D34B73EA8F5EA9A1771@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4F1BE531.7370.A577295@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4F1BE531.7370.A577295@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:58:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Opera - initial thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473607552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4f1c083652fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mike, LF Group, > > Is it better than QRSS? It *is* QRSS8 (in Op32 mode), only instead of morse code, it uses an error-correcting code of some sort, details closely guarded by Mr. Ros. > However, I have not yet seen any evidence that it can beat QRSS at > the most marginal level. Op32 sends a callsign in 32 minutes, which for throughput is about the same as QRSS30 or DFCW60. I guess under marginal conditions, it is very roughly comparable with those modes. The difference is that Opera gives you a "binary" result - either perfect copy / positive ID, or nothing at all, while QRSS gives you a result varying from "traces of signal" through "some bits missing but very likely your signal" to "solid O copy". So a marginal QRSS beacon signal might give you at least a partial result under conditions where Opera yields nothing but a blank screen, and you can usually increase the confidence of station identification from other information, such as knowing who is active, what frequency is being used, etc. On the other hand, if the Opera screen shows "G3XDV" once, you can be practically certain you have received G3XDV even if you have no other knowledge of 136k operations, and you don't have to spend any time trying to interpret the results. If Opera evolves into a QSO mode, I guess Op32 would be the slowest practical format to use; it would allow a "rubber stamp" QSO with callsigns, reports and confirmation exchanged within a few hours - much longer than that would be rather impractical. The faster formats would certainly be feasible where the shorter-duration QRSS modes are currently used. For DX beacon use on 136k, Op32 isn't quite enough, and there is no great pressure on time - I definitely think there is a case for trying Op64, Op128... I think nice features of Opera are: -Easy and non-critical to set up and use -Can be used with a simple CW TX -"Slow" Op32 option better suited to 136k DX than other comparable modes, e.g. WSPR -Automated reception with web-based reporting -Simultaneous multi-mode reception I think the current down-sides are: -The "black box" nature of the package - not knowing what it is you are using, what it is doing (especially via the internet), having few control options -Seems to put a lot of load on the CPU -When I download the latest version, I don't want to go on a date ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU