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Content preview: Hi Pete Its quite obvious that the allocation is quite able to support normal armature activity , and why not ? its no longer a experimental allocation , its just the same as 10 or top band , un expected results today though ! ssb sounds odd , may be as the path is stable , sstv ? must be a narrow mode , and the 'new' digital voice is 2KHz , but that requires a linear Tx path [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8c16534bff9e7be1d3e99d60b0efbf3e Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01CDE923.97532C30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a50e491f02d09 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01CDE923.97532C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete Its quite obvious that the allocation is quite able to support = normal armature activity , and why not ? its no longer a = experimental allocation , its just the same as 10 or top band , = un expected results today though ! ssb sounds odd , may be as = the path is stable , sstv ? must be a narrow mode , and the = 'new' digital voice is 2KHz , but that requires a linear Tx = path =20 As for the band edge=20 I'm straining to find a engineering reason , that wspr and = qrss has decided to run mid band ? Im sure users had a reasonable = discussion at the introduction of the band , to place the modes = at the edges , with live cw a the lower portion ? its well know = that these long carrier modes cause disruption to other band = users and are well placed at the band edges , 'vanity beacons' = is a term I have seen noted in referral, as occupancy increases , by = users not linked or even aware of discussions taking place on = these groups , i'm sure there will be problems leading to the = introduction of band plan's , for some the plans form part of = the licence conditions .. Is Opera a vanity system ? , actually no, it compliments ros- = data mode in that the ave s/n readings can be used to determine = if a path will support the data mode , each having the same = averaging s/n reading taken along the time line ,=20 73 -G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Hi all One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during daylight = hours no DXing! 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 16:13 Subject: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Quite intriguing propagation on this 'new' band=20 From some unexpected early 600 mile + Opera decodes last = night , to several wspr TA decodes , [G8's again ..] to = today's test with Gary using USB-SSB voice ,=20 Where as at 1300z we had 5/9 signals each way as expected = over 25 miles , GI3PDN Ray , called on CW , to give a report = of 5/9 across the Irish Sea , some 100 miles for our two = signals , his CW also in the 5/9/9 region, one wonders how far = inland the signals travelled ? After a short 3 way qso, we closed the test round 1330z , may = not of been quite as sociable after dark , but with a small Ae = , 40 x 70 ft iv L and 35 ft Top load vert , 50 watts pep , = results defiantly superior to say 160 mtrs using the same = Ae's=20 73 -G G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01CDE923.97532C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pete
 
Its  quite  obvious that  the  allocation  = is   quite  able  to  support  = normal  =20 armature  activity , and  why  not  ? its no  = longer a=20 experimental  allocation , its just the  same  = as  =20 10  or top  band , un expected  results  today = though=20 !  ssb  sounds  odd  , may  be  as  = the =20 path is  stable ,   sstv ?  must  be a =20 narrow  mode  , and the  'new'  digital  = voice  is=20 2KHz  , but that  requires  a  linear  Tx  = path 
 
As  for  the  band edge
 
 I'm  straining  to  find  a =20 engineering   reason  , that  wspr  and =20 qrss  has  decided to  run mid band ? Im sure  = users=20 had a  reasonable discussion  at the  introduction  = of=20 the  band , to  place the  modes  at the  edges = , with  live  cw a the  lower  portion = ?  its=20 well  know  that  these  long  carrier =20 modes  cause  disruption  to  other  band  = users=20 and  are  well  placed  at the  band  = edges=20  , 'vanity  beacons'  is a term I have  = seen =20 noted  in referral, as occupancy  increases , by users  = not =20 linked or  even  aware  of  =  discussions  =20 taking place on these  groups , i'm sure there  will =20 be  problems  leading  to  the  = introduction =20 of  band plan's  , for  some  the  plans =20 form  part of the  licence  conditions ..
 
Is Opera  a vanity  system ? , actually  no, = it =20 compliments   ros-  data  mode in that  = the  ave=20 s/n   readings  can be used to  determine  = if =20 a  path  will  support  the  data  mode ,=20 each  having  the  same   averaging  = s/n =20 reading  taken along the  time  line  ,
 
73 -G..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band = ?

Hi all
 
One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during = daylight hours no DXing!

73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, 2 = January=20 2013, 16:13
Subject: LF: 477=20 A local SSB chat band ?

Quite  intriguing  propagation  on this  = 'new' =20 band
 
From  some  unexpected  early  600 mile  = +   Opera  decodes  last  night  , = to =20 several   wspr   TA  decodes ,  = [G8's =20 again ..]     to   = today's  =20 test  with  Gary  using   USB-SSB  voice = ,=20
 
Where  as at   1300z  =  we =20 had  5/9  signals each  way  as  = expected  =20 over 25 miles  ,  GI3PDN   Ray  , = called  on CW=20 , to   give  a  report of  5/9 across  = the =20 Irish   Sea  , some  100  miles  = for =20 our  two  signals , his  CW also  in the  = 5/9/9 =20 region, one  wonders  how  far  inland  the=20 signals  travelled  ?
 
After a  short 3  way  qso,  we closed = the =20 test  round 1330z  ,  may  not of been=20  quite  as  sociable  after  dark  , = but =20 with a  small  Ae  , 40 x 70  ft  iv L =20 and   35  ft  Top load  vert  , 50  = watts  pep  , results  defiantly   = superior =20 to  say  160  mtrs  using  the  = same  Ae's=20
 
73 -G
G0NBD
 
 
 


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