Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-aec49c7c65612a; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB102-aec49c7c65612a; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:26:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LlnuV-0000ax-V0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:26:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LlnuV-0000ao-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:26:03 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LlnuR-0006md-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:26:03 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A7AF7000082 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:25:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.1.168]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 08F137000081 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:25:48 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090323172549367.08F137000081@mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5DC3B112A661483985D7E2EE0E0821B6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <20090323085031.52ABEF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090323085031.52ABEF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:25:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: definition of telegraphy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C9ABDC.67FF28E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C9ABDC.67FF28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik That's really good news .you see everyone complains how crude 'English' i= s .. but not in this case hihi Depending on your set up .. the mfsk systems look to give the best resul= ts and dont need a linear system=20 G ..=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:50 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: definition of telegraphy Dear all, in Belgium we have access to 500kHz since about 1 year. Conditions (limitations) are: - 501-504kHz - max. 5 W EIRP - only telegraphy - max. 100Hz bandwidth - only full license holders ITU Recommendation R V.662-3 defines telegraphy as "A form of telecommunicat= ion in which the transmitted information is intended to be recorded on arriv= al as a graphic document; the transmitted information may sometimes be prese= nted in an alternative form or may be stored for subsequent use.". So digita= l modes could be considered telegraphy and thus allowed on 500kHz. As we (UBA) reached the 500kHz access only after long negotiations with BIPT= (our Ofcom / FCC) we are very careful in what we do. Therefor we asked BIPT= if they would agree with our point of view. After internal (read BIPT legal department) consultation BIPT agreed with us= . So from now on we can use digital modes on 500kHz. The 100Hz bandwidth limit= ation is still in force, but there is plenty of digital modes that stay with= in this limit. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm for more inform= ation.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.24/2018 - Release Date: 03/22/09 1= 7:51:00 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C9ABDC.67FF28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rik
 
That's really  good  news .you&nb= sp; see=20 everyone complains how crude 'English' is .. but not in this case=20 hihi
 
Depending on your  set up .. the = mfsk=20 systems look to  give the  best results and dont  need a line= ar=20 system
 
G ..

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: LF: definition of telegraphy

Dear all,

in Belgium we have access to 500kHz  si= nce=20 about 1 year.
Conditions (limitations) are:
- 501-504kHz
- max. 5 W= =20 EIRP
- only telegraphy
- max. 100Hz bandwidth
- only full license=20 holders
ITU Recommendation R V.662-3 defines telegraphy as "A form of=20 telecommunication in which the transmitted information is intended to be=20 recorded on arrival as a graphic document; the transmitted information may=20 sometimes be presented in an alternative form or may be stored for subsequen= t=20 use.". So digital modes could be considered telegraphy and thus allowed=20= on=20 500kHz.
As we (UBA) reached the 500kHz access only after long negotiation= s=20 with BIPT (our Ofcom / FCC) we are very careful in what we do. Therefor we a= sked=20 BIPT if they would agree with our point of view.
After internal (read BIP= T=20 legal department) consultation BIPT agreed with us.
So from now on we can= use=20 digital modes on 500kHz. The 100Hz bandwidth limitation is still in force, b= ut=20 there is plenty of digital modes that stay within this limit.

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD

Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.= be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm=20 for more information.


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