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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 17:54:05 +0200
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Subject: Re: ULF: EbNaut message transmitted from ground loop
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Jacek,

I'm right now trying to decode the message from your stream recording. 
First i did not expect much but a first attempt with
vtread -T2019-04-06_20:25,+125m /jacek | vtcat -p | vtfilter -a th=4 -h 
bp,f=2970,w=1800 | vtblank -v -a23 -d0.0005 -t100 | vtmult -f2970.1 | 
vtresample -r240 | vtresample -r10 | vtraw -oa | ebnaut -dp16K21A -r10 
-c2 -v -f15 -f16 -M'DK7FC/P' -T0.3 -k16 -S6 -N7
produced
carrier Eb/N0: -1.4 dB
*carrier S/N: 14.65 dB* in 133.5 uHz

Wow, this already crossed the 14 dB criterium for significant spectrum 
peaks! A 5 character message would already ecode clearly now!
My data from you has passed a vorbis encode/decode stage, so maybe it is 
possible for you to get a decode from the raw data?
I'm telling the best result later. We are close to a decode! And that 
would be a new record distance for amateur radio at ULF.

All this rises new questions about radio propagation because my loop 
does not at all point into your direction!

73, Stefan


Am 07.04.2019 12:49, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski:
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, DK7FC wrote:
>
>> An OM (OT!) of my radio club told stories of his early radio 
>> experiments. He had a friend in some 100m distance and they lay out a 
>> small hidden wire into they ground between their QTHs, using the 
>> earth as the back 'wire'.
>
> Some electricity (i think they didn't call it electronics back then) 
> hobby books for boys in the USA has descriptions of using ground 
> dipoles for telegraphy. The transmitter was a buzzer-like circuit with 
> step-up transformer, and the receiver was just high impedance 
> headphones. Unfortunately i don't have the book, but i remember it 
> also showed how to make a rhumkorff generator from a ford t ignition 
> coil, so it must have been very old.
>
>
> I also remember reading somewhere that during the war (not sure it was 
> WW II) using amateur radio equipment was prohibited, and the ARRL 
> advised using similar equipment, so that people don't loose their 
> operating skills.
>
> No doubt some people used much larger ground dipoles than advised in 
> the books :)
>
> VY 73
>
> Jacek / SQ5BPF
>
>

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Jacek, <br>
<br>
I'm right now trying to decode the message from your stream recording.
First i did not expect much but a first attempt with <br>
vtread -T2019-04-06_20:25,+125m /jacek | vtcat -p | vtfilter -a th=4 -h
bp,f=2970,w=1800 | vtblank -v -a23 -d0.0005 -t100 | vtmult -f2970.1 |
vtresample -r240 | vtresample -r10 | vtraw -oa | ebnaut -dp16K21A -r10
-c2 -v -f15 -f16 -M'DK7FC/P' -T0.3 -k16 -S6 -N7<br>
produced<br>
carrier Eb/N0: -1.4 dB<br>
<b>carrier S/N: 14.65 dB</b> in 133.5 uHz<br>
<br>
Wow, this already crossed the 14 dB criterium for significant spectrum
peaks! A 5 character message would already ecode clearly now!<br>
My data from you has passed a vorbis encode/decode stage, so maybe it
is possible for you to get a decode from the raw data?<br>
I'm telling the best result later. We are close to a decode! And that
would be a new record distance for amateur radio at ULF.<br>
<br>
All this rises new questions about radio propagation because my loop
does not at all point into your direction!<br>
<br>
73, Stefan<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 07.04.2019 12:49, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.11.1904071231190.22616@mailn.lipkowski.org"
 type="cite">On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, DK7FC wrote:
  <br>
  <br>
  <blockquote type="cite">An OM (OT!) of my radio club told stories of
his early radio experiments. He had a friend in some 100m distance and
they lay out a small hidden wire into they ground between their QTHs,
using the earth as the back 'wire'.
    <br>
  </blockquote>
  <br>
Some electricity (i think they didn't call it electronics back then)
hobby books for boys in the USA has descriptions of using ground
dipoles for telegraphy. The transmitter was a buzzer-like circuit with
step-up transformer, and the receiver was just high impedance
headphones. Unfortunately i don't have the book, but i remember it also
showed how to make a rhumkorff generator from a ford t ignition coil,
so it must have been very old.
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
I also remember reading somewhere that during the war (not sure it was
WW II) using amateur radio equipment was prohibited, and the ARRL
advised using similar equipment, so that people don't loose their
operating skills.
  <br>
  <br>
No doubt some people used much larger ground dipoles than advised in
the books :)
  <br>
  <br>
VY 73
  <br>
  <br>
Jacek / SQ5BPF
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
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