Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id x0PEV0tk030180 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:31:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1gn2OK-0006P0-Nc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:23:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1gn2OA-0006Op-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:23:22 +0000 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gn2O9-0001B0-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:23:21 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06EF0160081 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:23:17 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=posteo.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1548426198; bh=nmrFgctszLL9KhB0uTDBm6V2saGniY23eOLODt6rDgM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=M9GSwRYGgJyVfCaoVqn2j/cfK4LYtP7aKL1zrTtTRZgMabM86AlsqkAT+ZLmsCSDi AryAI1N1r/xp4qUNSPO3BnRmduwVVGa0nay8ZL9rLkRn4+av2XLeNwEQQGNSntnSLR z2z9i6PKhRMhHVz3sp3DLkapUKTY37mjDEiKrsFYNCUkQxuM+Oj29xGT0K84ZBiGyV Arw5EcUvUv2AzEpDIFTa5RA/y4Z36CtF6Y5oJiSCuDneHzkSNtoJPle5ulLd9BIeXM y2OgRp3yPyo9+gH6TNdEl6KQUPS4kZVR2+OCSvsBvSwDJw66ZhsAfWCkXQxpCq2qJH LQS32oco9gB6w== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 43mLps4CX8z6tm9 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:23:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5C4B1BD5.6010404@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:23:17 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1UTCTNxG9H.5T3bfQF3xD0@optiplex980-pc> <9C9C8088-AD45-4DDF-BD7E-66D13F0D835C@md.metrocast.net> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi MF, A few days ago i took some RF litz wire and built a loop that is now hanging on the wall inside my home, just 1m besides the bed :-) (no XYL here spoiling the fun). The loop is beaming to about 150/33 [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [185.67.36.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: LF: TXing WSPR/MF on an indoor loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi MF, A few days ago i took some RF litz wire and built a loop that is now hanging on the wall inside my home, just 1m besides the bed :-) (no XYL here spoiling the fun). The loop is beaming to about 150/330 deg. After playing some days on 160m (an unusual high frequency, witch feels very strange. And the band is full of unknown callsigns!!) i did now move down to more or less low frequencies, the 630m band! About 10 nF is needed to series resonate the loop. It has about 2m x 2m of size. The antenna current is not stable because the WIMA FKP-1 capacitor becomes warm during the 2 minute WSPR sequence. But the maximum current in the loop is 14 A. That explains why the cap becomes warm. A small parallel variable capacitor tunes to resonance. It is tuned so that the upheating capacitor runs into the resonance point in the middle of the WSPR sequence, then it runs out of the resonance by upheating further. It can cool down during the following quiet periods.. 14A into a 4 square meter loop at 475.7 kHz, how much ERP is that? The PA consumes about 3.5 A at 13.8V, i.e. about 50 W. The system will run over the weekend, even during daylight. The signal generator is a Raspi which will have no internet connectivity from now on, so let's hope the time offset stays inside the accepted range for this experiment. What will the best distance be? So far the band is closed but i'm optimistic to crack the 1000 km distance with this QRP setup. 73, Stefan