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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Paul, How do you measure your antenna current? I know, the scope. But do you measure across a small shunt resistor or do you use a current xfmr or something else? 73, Stefan Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [185.67.36.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Subject: Re: LF: More on unstable antenna R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Paul, How do you measure your antenna current? I know, the scope. But do you measure across a small shunt resistor or do you use a current xfmr or something else? 73, Stefan Am 03.12.2018 12:49, schrieb N1BUG: > Hi LF, > > During past days I did some more investigating about that slow > antenna R change during Tx. This is making me a little crazy. I > don't like RF mysteries! > > During a 2 minute Tx at 200W, antenna system R reduces about 20% > from beginning to end of Tx. > > During a 2 minute Tx at 100W, antenna system R reduces about 20% > from beginning to end of Tx. > > During a 2 minute Tx at 50W, antenna system R *increases* about 3% > from beginning to end of Tx! > > There is almost no shift in X. > > I went over everything I could get to (matching xfmr, loading coil, > connections between them, etc.) using a IR heat measuring gun. I did > not find anything warming up during a long Tx period. It's all cold. > > I see a similar change happening on MF where I use a completely > separate xfmr and loading coil. > > This may be a clue, but I don't know what it means. I have other > antennas around. All those cables come into the basement where there > is a disconnect point. All can be disconnected from the short cables > which run up into the radio rooms. If I disconnect all other cables > at that point, then the LF antenna R change during Tx is about 10%, > half what it is usually. The R at the start of a Tx period is the > same as always, but it does not decrease as much during the Tx period. > > I tried connecting the coax shield to the LF antenna ground. That > did not make any difference. > > Just trying to think of possible explanations... > > Broken or bad connection somewhere up on the top hat of the antenna? > Seems something should fall down if so, but it hasn't yet. :) > > Bad connection in the ground system? All above ground connections > are secure. Below ground connections are not accessible in winter > but they are heavy solid copper conductors, mostly exothermic welded > connections. The one exception is the heavy solid wire which runs > from the xfmr secondary down to the underground wire / center ground > rod. It is clamped, not welded. But I used three clamps, very tight > and with anti-oxidant paste. This connection is just one year old. > > Ground return currents through some other path which is not stable? > I am sure I make RF currents in the power lines, etc. but...??? > > Does anyone see a clue here? > > 73, > Paul > >