Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25])
by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id wAA8UO77008379
for <rlg@klubnl.pl>; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:30:32 +0100
Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14)
id 1gLOXS-0000ih-Gh
for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:22:42 +0000
Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net)
by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14)
id 1gLOWH-0000iM-0v
for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:21:29 +0000
Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66])
by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
(Exim 4.91_59-0488984)
(envelope-from <selberdenken@posteo.de>)
id 1gLOWD-0004Y3-DR
for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:21:27 +0000
Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130])
by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23E4F2400E5
for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:21:23 +0100 (CET)
X-DKIM-Result: Domain=posteo.de Result=Signature OK
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017;
t=1541838083; bh=worlIFoADD/Ag9lArBexwu5w4WhOgQAeojpL/1unS/M=;
h=Date:From:To:Subject:From;
b=DRJJCaDUj55APtbA2iQ7eE3yFwz1t/L0sHlGDD4u2yfkgDXJnodzFCGbKBg0FQksx
V1kL8NUQ78ZE5gr+Oq6NdJYG9SnTaJgqHRqPNfJGKXnDBbyb/7UMX10n9HUrqfYop+
EcnNhLecnrg8N7XobA65JmQiG7i/BHj5sODq8gifReSxYputUJQUTe5+YUT/gNjRQ7
yKhsjSuCXFUelT3jjwBNebIDRlCRq7Q1UiQ+oc33OkcBGo/tTGa1kat7S1D7XkvrXz
l09GJxPCUTPzB+NdsMgaurEhfwKxHM0CkBB9zYwdGiO0dfB+r5DKXjx840cO5+vl2T
E2wVyonez97qw==
Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 42sVNL3Qtdz9rxD
for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:21:22 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <5BE69501.6070301@posteo.de>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:21:21 +0100
From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
References: <1611153569.62841.1541819263704.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1611153569.62841.1541819263704@mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <1611153569.62841.1541819263704@mail.yahoo.com>
X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--)
X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net",
has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original
message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
similar future email. If you have any questions, see
@@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details.
Content preview: Hi Marcus and Markus, Exciting and amazing what can be done
with 3 W in AM. My congrats to this success. Seems to be an amazing challenge.
You won't belive it, i did NOT receive the signal. I tried with a TECSUN
PL-660er and its telescope antenna, out of the house in an urban region. No
chance with this sort of QRM here :-( [...]
Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required)
pts rule name description
---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
-2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium
trust
[185.67.36.66 listed in list.dnswl.org]
-0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay
domain
-0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record
0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid
X-Scan-Signature: 29168ad3cbe6e84866aad11301f49cdd
Subject: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------060705020403090004040105"
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,
HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63
X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes
Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group
X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org
X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------060705020403090004040105
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Marcus and Markus,
Exciting and amazing what can be done with 3 W in AM. My congrats to
this success. Seems to be an amazing challenge.
You won't belive it, i did NOT receive the signal. I tried with a TECSUN
PL-660er and its telescope antenna, out of the house in an urban region.
No chance with this sort of QRM here :-(
Markus, maybe you can convince Ralph to transmit a 20 Hz modulated
QRSS-10 signal along with the music channel he wants to transmit in the
final state. The 20 Hz signal would not be audible in a speaker but
would give a fine signal to detect for the QRSS / spectrogram friends
worldwide. Or, even simpler and more effective: The AM carrier could be
shifted by 1 Hz or so, keying some QRSS. This can be done with a simple
circuit, the capacitiy diode pulling an xtal a bit, like in the old days
;-) Great stuff :-)
73, Stefan
Am 10.11.2018 04:07, schrieb Markus Vester:
> Hi Marcus,
>
> I think you've got it.
>
> I just did another frequency measurement, by injecting a 1475.990 kHz
> Rubidium-derived local carrier into my AM receiver. Ralph's carrier is
> at 10.41 Hz (i.e. 1476 kHz +0.41 Hz), with 0.5 Hz sidebands from the
> AGC acting on the beeps. I'm also seeing that triangle carrier, which
> is probably from another unidentified broadcast station. During the
> night it has been swinging between -0.12 Hz and + 0.45 Hz with a 15
> minute period, and has now moved up very slightly. Ralph at +0.41 Hz
> is just inside the top of the swing, just like the weak line in your
> image.
>
> That's an awesome 9943 km then. Ralph, hold on tight to your coffee
> cup ;-)
>
> Best 73,
> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
> -----UrsprĂźngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL <py2pll@py.qsl.br>
> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; markusvester
> <markusvester@aol.com>
> Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 2:16
> Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM
>
> Well ... just for fun ...
>
> I set 2 receivers sharing the same mini whip: a SDR-IQ and a KiWi SDR.
>
> On both there is two signals: one at 1476000, another at 1476260 (I
> read somewhere about Iran 260Hz above).
>
> Using Argo QRSS20 I got two signatures: one that looks like an old
> ovenized xtal osc and a stable one.
>
> I verified both signals using an KiWi SDR in Germany too. Of course
> that the 1KHz bips are there. But the same signals are there as well:
> the ~85mHz wanderin' carrier and the 3W one (this one stable, ~400mHz
> above 1476000)
>
> May be tomorrow I check this again earlier.
>
> Capture attached. Who knows ...
>
> 73
> Marcus
> PY2PLL + PY3CRX
> GG66rf.
>
>
> Em 09/11/2018 13:05, Markus Vester escreveu:
> Thanks Tom and Clemens, that's very nice!
>
> Indeed there are some issues with GoogleMaps, for example last time I
> looked https://sdr.hu/map didn't show the Kiwi SDR locations. As
> Clemens indicated, http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=JN59MN21HF should work.
> Or in proper coordinates, the wire antenna is attached to the tower at
> 49.546575 N, 11.019437 E.
>
> Best 73,
> Markus
>
>
> -----UrsprĂźngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: DK1IS <DK1IS@kabelmail.de> <mailto:DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Verschickt: Fr, 9. Nov. 2018 14:13
> Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM
>
> Am 09.11.2018 um 00:39 schrieb Markus Vester:
> After the sad demise of all LW and MW broadcasts in Germany, a handful
> of pioneers came up who are operating legal low-powered medium wave
> stations in the context of a radio museum or for educational purposes.
> One of them is Ralph (DL2NDO, one of the participants in the legendary
> Donebach 137 kHz activation in 2002). He has obtained a transmitting
> license for 1476 kHz (former frequency of Vienna Bisamberg), built a 3
> Watt AM transmitter, and with the help of a small team raised a
> quarterwave antenna on the Fraunhofer premises south of Erlangen
> (JN59MN21HF).
>
> Yesterday they got on air for the first time, running a preliminary
> test transmission consisting of a switched 1000 Hz beeps (one second
> on, one second off, audio frequency locked to the RF carrier). This
> pattern will be continued for a few days, before they will
> eventually.take over the audio from the local DAB student radio
> "funklust".
>
> The current test pattern is relatively easy to make out in the noise
> so it may be a good chance for some DX detections. At night we've
> actually heard the beeps on Twente SDR and a couple of German
> Kiwi-SDRs. But I guess using narrowband signal processing techniques,
> the carrier and coherent tones coud make it much further. The carrier
> frequency is derived from an OCXO and is currently at 1476000.411 Hz.
>
> Will anyone in the group take the challenge?
>
> Best 73,
> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
> Fb audible signal at DL0AO (JN59VK)! RX Perseus, Ant Miniwhip, see
> screenshot. Slight selective QSB. Similar results with their North
> America beverage.
>
> By the way: all programs using GoogleMaps for QTH-locator
> identification seem to be inactive because of new Google restrictions.
>
> 73,
> Tom, DK1IS
>
>
>
--------------060705020403090004040105
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
<title></title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Hi Marcus and Markus, <br>
<br>
Exciting and amazing what can be done with 3 W in AM. My congrats to
this success. Seems to be an amazing challenge. <br>
You won't belive it, i did NOT receive the signal. I tried with a
TECSUN PL-660er and its telescope antenna, out of the house in an urban
region. No chance with this sort of QRM here :-(<br>
<br>
Markus, maybe you can convince Ralph to transmit a 20 Hz modulated
QRSS-10 signal along with the music channel he wants to transmit in the
final state. The 20 Hz signal would not be audible in a speaker but
would give a fine signal to detect for the QRSS / spectrogram friends
worldwide. Or, even simpler and more effective: The AM carrier could be
shifted by 1 Hz or so, keying some QRSS. This can be done with a simple
circuit, the capacitiy diode pulling an xtal a bit, like in the old
days ;-) Great stuff :-)<br>
<br>
73, Stefan<br>
<br>
Am 10.11.2018 04:07, schrieb Markus Vester:
<blockquote cite="mid:1611153569.62841.1541819263704@mail.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: black;">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div>
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div>
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div>
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hi
Marcus,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I think you've got it. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I just did another frequency measurement, by injecting a 1475.990 kHz
Rubidium-derived local carrier into my AM receiver. Ralph's carrier is
at 10.41 Hz (i.e. 1476 kHz +0.41 Hz), with 0.5 Hz sidebands from the
AGC acting on the beeps. I'm also seeing that triangle carrier, which
is probably from another unidentified broadcast station. During the
night it has been swinging between -0.12 Hz and + 0.45 Hz with a 15
minute period, and has now moved up very slightly. Ralph at +0.41 Hz is
just inside the top of the swing, just like the weak line in your image.<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
That's an awesome 9943 km then. Ralph, hold on tight to your coffee cup
;-)<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best 73,<br clear="none">
Markus (DF6NM)<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
-----UrsprĂźngliche Mitteilung-----<br clear="none">
Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:py2pll@py.qsl.br"><py2pll@py.qsl.br></a><br clear="none">
An: rsgb_lf_group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org></a>; markusvester
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:markusvester@aol.com"><markusvester@aol.com></a><br clear="none">
Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 2:16<br clear="none">
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv3115073394yqt8664965163" id="yiv3115073394yqt75119">
<div class="yiv3115073394yqt4464445262" id="yiv3115073394yqt01237">
<div class="yiv3115073394yqt7041354297" id="yiv3115073394yqt82824">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div> <span style="font-family: Courier New;">Well ... just for fun
...<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I set 2 receivers sharing the same mini whip: a SDR-IQ and a KiWi SDR.<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On both there is two signals: one at 1476000, another at 1476260 (I
read somewhere about Iran 260Hz above). <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Using Argo QRSS20 I got two signatures: one that looks like an old
ovenized xtal osc and a stable one.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I verified both signals using an KiWi SDR in Germany too. Of course
that the 1KHz bips are there. But the same signals are there as well:
the ~85mHz wanderin' carrier and the 3W one (this one stable, ~400mHz
above 1476000)<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
May be tomorrow I check this again earlier.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Capture attached. Who knows ...<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
73<br clear="none">
Marcus<br clear="none">
PY2PLL + PY3CRX<br clear="none">
GG66rf. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</span><br clear="none">
<div class="yiv3115073394moz-cite-prefix">Em 09/11/2018 13:05, Markus
Vester escreveu:<br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote>
</div>
<div class="yiv3115073394yqt9669518288" id="yiv3115073394yqt59063">
<div>
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Thanks
Tom and Clemens, that's very nice!<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Indeed there are some issues with GoogleMaps, for example last time I
looked <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv3115073394moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sdr.hu/map"
target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://sdr.hu/map</a>
didn't show the Kiwi SDR locations. As Clemens indicated, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="yiv3115073394moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=JN59MN21HF" target="_blank"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=JN59MN21HF</a>
should work. Or in proper coordinates, the wire antenna is attached
to the tower at <span>49.546575 N, 11.019437 E.</span><br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best 73,<br clear="none">
Markus<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
-----UrsprĂźngliche Mitteilung-----<br clear="none">
Von: DK1IS <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv3115073394moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:DK1IS@kabelmail.de" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:DK1IS@kabelmail.de"><DK1IS@kabelmail.de></a><br
clear="none">
An: rsgb_lf_group <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="yiv3115073394moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org></a><br
clear="none">
Verschickt: Fr, 9. Nov. 2018 14:13<br clear="none">
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div>
<div class="yiv3115073394moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.11.2018 um 00:39
schrieb Markus Vester:<br clear="none">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<div class="yiv3115073394yqt4102755865" id="yiv3115073394yqt54823">
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div id="yiv3115073394">
<div
style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">After
the sad demise of all LW and MW broadcasts in Germany, a handful of
pioneers came up who are operating legal low-powered medium wave
stations in the context of a radio museum or for educational purposes.
One of them is Ralph (DL2NDO, one of the participants in the legendary
Donebach 137 kHz activation in 2002). He has obtained a transmitting
license for 1476 kHz (former frequency of Vienna Bisamberg), built a 3
Watt AM transmitter, and with the help of a small team raised a
quarterwave antenna on the Fraunhofer premises south of Erlangen
(JN59MN21HF). <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Yesterday they got on air for the first time, running a preliminary
test transmission consisting of a switched 1000 Hz beeps (one second
on, one second off, audio frequency locked to the RF carrier). This
pattern will be continued for a few days, before they will
eventually.take over the audio from the local DAB student radio
"funklust".<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The current test pattern is relatively easy to make out in the noise so
it may be a good chance for some DX detections. Â At night we've
actually heard the beeps on Twente SDR and a couple of German
Kiwi-SDRs. But I guess using narrowband signal processing techniques,
the carrier and coherent tones coud make it much further. The carrier
frequency is derived from an OCXO and is currently at 1476000.411 Hz.<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Will anyone in the group take the challenge?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Best 73,<br clear="none">
Markus (DF6NM)<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p><br clear="none">
</p>
<p>Fb audible signal at DL0AO (JN59VK)! RX Perseus, Ant Miniwhip, see
screenshot. Slight selective QSB. Similar results with their North
America beverage.</p>
<p>By the way: all programs using GoogleMaps for QTH-locator
identification seem to be inactive because of new Google restrictions.</p>
<p>73,<br clear="none">
Tom, DK1IS<br clear="none">
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>
--------------060705020403090004040105--