Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 02ECF3800011E; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R8Wun-0003eb-5d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:37:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R8Wum-0003eS-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:37:36 +0100 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Wuk-0003Ze-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:37:36 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 892FE700008C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7CB7C700008D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [2.26.45.196]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 601A2700008C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:37:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20110927123728393.601A2700008C@mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5BB3FB5D8C60440FA120B33E3A7EB36E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003201cc7c7b$49b879f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4E816F7C.5050407@kpnmail.nl> <4E81B91E.10902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4E81B91E.10902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:37:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110927-0, 27/09/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460672448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074e81c3c42206 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes UK has , now, 10 watts ERP , No mode restriction other than 'No Voice' .. with the usual no=20 interference , cipher and of course message content As the experimental licence is issued as a 'variation' to a existi= ng=20 A licence , then two way communications are possible , to date the=20 100 hz data limit is not applicable .. and I think in the light of t= he=20 ROS-MF series , not a problem should it befall us ... wide band da= ta=20 tends to be clipped by the Q of the Ae's anyway and seems to give=20 little if any gain.. non of the MFSK / ROS HF modes out perform th= e=20 99 Hz MF ones on 500 ....unless a 100% broadcast is required then = ROS=20 would be of little use . While running 'broadcast ' experiments , there was some 'monkey=20 chatter' over using the licence to broadcast , but as it was and i= s=20 experimental, such conditions did not apply .. the monkey's soon=20 learned that beacons can be fun and joined in ... and as noted if a DX= =20 grabber is now missing , quite loud chatter quickly follows .. Perhaps the more medical out there may recognise this as BMS ?=20 ((Budgie Mirror Syndrome )) 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:53 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 500 > > Hello Walter, > > Oh dear, 500 kHz, another project? ;-) > > How high do you expect the chance to get an allocation on 500 in German= y?=20 > And what are the restrictions in UK and EU countries regarding TX power= or=20 > ERP? Is there a limit? > > Just thinking about a 1/2 wave vertical on 600m ;-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 27.09.2011 12:32, schrieb Walter Staubach: >> Jan, you are right. And more is not possible at this moment. We are=20 >> waiting for the WRC in 2012 and hope for better results. >> 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG >> > >=20