Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=1 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mailn.lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id uB4BWDOO004293 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:32:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cDUyH-0002Zk-6z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2016 11:28:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cDUyG-0002Zb-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2016 11:28:40 +0000 Received: from smtp10.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.132] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cDUyD-00036S-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2016 11:28:39 +0000 Received: from PCPMF ([92.142.237.10]) by mwinf5d88 with ME id FnUc1u0030E8nxG03nUcvY; Sun, 04 Dec 2016 12:28:36 +0100 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 12:28:36 +0100 X-ME-IP: 92.142.237.10 Message-ID: <5B755D6CF04B4A078DCE546208708565@PCPMF> From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: References: <5843F55D.1020504@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5843F55D.1020504@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:28:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161201-0, 01/12/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: 49fa89cf822be04b2fa2b49be302a189 Subject: Re: LF: Daytime MF prpagation beyond the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01D24E29.EEFA4350" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9685 Ce message est composi et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D24E29.EEFA4350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan. Sorry but I do not understand. Can you explain to us scientifically whyyou said that there is a = difference enter winter and summer for day time groundwave mode of = propagation ? Also, an other question : can you tell us honestly which is your exact = EIRP transmitting power, because on day time groundwave there is not = usual to have a WSPR2 report on the 630 meters band of =E2=80=9317 dB = S/N over 1500 km (Remember that he legal maximum power in DK is 1 Watt = EIRP, and nobody can ignore the law ). 73 Andy. From: DK7FC=20 Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:52 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Daytime MF prpagation beyond the groundwave Hi MF,=20 I just sent a single WSPR block and got the following results from = distances above 300km. This is typical for the winter season. 73, Stefan 27 spots: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -20 0 JN49ik 1 LA2XPA = JP33wi 1548 358 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475685 -17 0 JN49ik 1 OH1TSM = KP11db 1546 28 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -6 0 JN49ik 1 LA8AV JO59cs = 1153 4 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -12 0 JN49ik 1 LA6LU = JO59eq 1145 5 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +2 0 JN49ik 1 LA3EQ JO28xj = 1012 351 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -19 0 JN49ik 1 G3XKR = IO70ux 940 285 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -19 0 JN49ik 1 SP5XSB = KO02ld 911 66 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475683 -6 0 JN49ik 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 851 288 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475674 -19 0 JN49ik 1 M0FMT = IO91ux 693 297 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475622 -12 0 JN49ik 1 G0VQH = JO02fe 655 301 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -23 0 JN49ik 1 IW4DXW = JN64bw 563 151 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475684 +1 0 JN49ik 1 PA0RDT = JO11tm 428 305 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475686 -8 0 JN49ik 1 PA7EY JO22jj = 428 322 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -4 0 JN49ik 1 PE1RKT = JO22fb 418 316 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475684 -15 0 JN49ik 1 PA3ANG = JO32am 390 332 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475686 -12 0 JN49ik 1 DL-SWL = JO52hp 381 20 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475681 +12 0 JN49ik 1 DH5RAE = JN68qv 345 98 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +1 0 JN49ik 1 PI4THT = JO32kf 336 338 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -12 0 JN49ik 1 PA0MLC = JO31aw 335 327 =20 2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +7 0 JN49ik 1 DJ0ABR = JN68nt 329 101 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D24E29.EEFA4350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Stefan. Sorry but I do not understand.
 
Can=20 you explain to us scientifically why
you=20 said that there is a difference enter winter and summer for day time = groundwave=20 mode of propagation ?
 
Also,=20 an other question : can you tell us honestly which is your exact EIRP=20 transmitting power, because on day time groundwave there is not usual to = have a=20 WSPR2 report on the 630 meters band of =E2=80=9317 dB S/N over 1500 km = (Remember that he=20 legal maximum power in DK is 1 Watt EIRP, and nobody can ignore the law=20 ).
 
73=20 Andy.
 
 
From: DK7FC
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:52 AM
Subject: LF: Daytime MF prpagation beyond the = groundwave
 
Hi=20 MF,

I just sent a single WSPR block and got the following = results from=20 distances above 300km.
 This is typical = for the=20 winter season.

73, Stefan

27 spots:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -20 0 JN49ik 1 LA2XPA JP33wi 1548 358
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475685 -17 0 JN49ik 1 OH1TSM KP11db 1546 28
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -6 0 JN49ik 1 LA8AV JO59cs 1153 4
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -12 0 JN49ik 1 LA6LU JO59eq 1145 5
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +2 0 JN49ik 1 LA3EQ JO28xj 1012 351
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -19 0 JN49ik 1 G3XKR IO70ux 940 285
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -19 0 JN49ik 1 SP5XSB KO02ld 911 66
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475683 -6 0 JN49ik 1 G8HUH IO81mg 851 288
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475674 -19 0 JN49ik 1 M0FMT IO91ux 693 297
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475622 -12 0 JN49ik 1 G0VQH JO02fe 655 301
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -23 0 JN49ik 1 IW4DXW JN64bw 563 151
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475684 +1 0 JN49ik 1 PA0RDT JO11tm 428 305
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475686 -8 0 JN49ik 1 PA7EY JO22jj 428 322
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -4 0 JN49ik 1 PE1RKT JO22fb 418 316
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475684 -15 0 JN49ik 1 PA3ANG JO32am 390 332
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475686 -12 0 JN49ik 1 DL-SWL JO52hp 381 20
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475681 +12 0 JN49ik 1 DH5RAE JN68qv 345 98
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +1 0 JN49ik 1 PI4THT JO32kf 336 338
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -12 0 JN49ik 1 PA0MLC JO31aw 335 327
2016-12-04 10:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +7 0 JN49ik 1 DJ0ABR JN68nt 329 101=20



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