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From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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Hi Alan, thanks for the comments. Also over here there was very little 
incoming traffic from the reflector on Easter. Between two messages from 
Henny (11-04-23  06:26 and 11-04-24 08:32), I only got two from Stefan, and 
my own test.

At times there seem to be some issues with spam rating. Several times in the 
past, the reflector quietly dropped all my attempts to post while others 
were chatting happily. Typically, reposting the same message several hours 
later proved successful.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



From: Alan Melia
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 12:17 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: test again


Do I get the message that some are having trouble with the reflector
again.??
Markus both tests came through here ok. Certainly the BT mail server was
very slow yesterday .....I believe reflector mail is classified as bulk and
lower priority so can be delayed over personal mail.

There are a couple of possibilities one is that you are not receiving the
return addressed to you but everybody else gets it.....I have this problem
on several of the Yahoo Groups . The return of my message always goes into
the Spam folder. It can also get delayed en-route.

Some ISPs who may have been marked due to no fault of yours as the
originators of spam soemtimes get blacklisted. The messages are just dumped
there is no "cant deliver" because this ping-pongs backwards and forwards
taking up more bandwidth. Sometimes the Blacklisting is very old and the ISP
or perhaps an enroute node doesnt know hey are blacklisted.

Sometimes an innocent word or sentence in the message will hit the spam or
porn alarm and your message will get dumped. Some seem to get an "cant
deliver" response to some of these but the reasons for the infringement are
almost impossible to work out.

Specifically for Majordomo which is a very old piece of software......it was
designed for text messages ....it will on occasions object violently to some
HTML,  though passing others with no problem......I have never been able to
understand exactly what is going on here. You should be aware it is possible
to hide executing code and other nasties inside  HTML, so it is treated with
suspicion. You will undoubtedly have noticed that all the pharma and
phishing emails use HTML you cant hide so easily in text.

Generally incoming (to UK) mails seem to suffer worse than UK originated
.....Again I am not sure why but the problem may somewhere on the route. If
you are very clever you can learn a lot from the headers........but I cant
help there.

suggestions.....try a simple text only message, try using a different
address (ideally a different ISP) I seem to remember one user recently was
having problems with t-online.de

....and dont worry Yahoo has it problems as well ....any system that tags
its own moderated messages as spam has got to be neurotic :-))

I hope that helps

Alan G3NYK


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From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:25 PM
Subject: LF: test again