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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi VLF, A few weeks ago i had the crazy idea to try an attempt to be detected on 17.4701 kHz in Tasmania / VK7. Edgar J.T. is the one on the other side. A few years ago he managed to detect my DFCW-180 signal on 136 kHz at two different locations. He is currently watching ZEVS as well as other special signals on the VLF. 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Edgar J.T. is the one on the other side. A few years ago he managed to detect my DFCW-180 signal on 136 kHz at two different locations. He is currently watching ZEVS as well as other special signals on the VLF. Using an omidirectional whip antenna on his side we attempted to detect a pure carrier transmission that was transmitted daily from my site in JN49IK00WD, beginning at March, 15th. Each day i transmitted from 16...23 UTC with about 1 A antenna current on my INV-L antenna wire 30m above the ground. My average ERP estimate is 2.5 mW on that frequency (average estimate, not average ERP ;-) ). At the beginning there were frequency stability problems on the RX site but since the 21st of March the system was running well and stable. So we could observe a growing SNR during certain times within the stacked files. We ended up stacking 13 daily transmissions into one file to analyse. I build a simple script in vlfrx tools to produce a set of data which was plotted in Excel. Here is the latest plot: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/DL_VK7_17470.png The curves show the SNR of the carrier for different start times and durations. The best SNR (12.70 dB in my stack) is obtained when starting at 19:20 UTC and watching the signal in 93 uHz, i.e. 3 hours. After reaching about 12 dB SNR it became clear that this will become a successful detection. So i informed Paul Nicholson to evaluate the files and asked for a critical comment regarding the significance. He used his new fast PC to run a number of permutations of the files to produce an even better SNR, by dropping a few days which do not contribute positively to the stack. In the end we ended up at > 14 dB SNR and found the strongest peak of the file(s) exactly on the expected frequency. I leave it to Paul to present the best spectrum peak and comment further on the statistical significance of the signal. BTW this is the path: http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=QE37PD&from=JN49IK00WD My thanks and congratulations go to Edgar J.T. for the successful carrier detection and the permanent available RX system, as well as for daily providing of the txt files containing the FFT data. Oh and not to forget about the patience :-) Also thanks to Markus and Paul for the discussion and support in the background. And not to forget about DL4YHF for developing SpecLab, which is a part of most of these achievements. The boundary of the garden fence has been pushed a little bit more these days! 73, Stefan