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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Markus, 29 dB S/N, quite a good result on your side :-) From the tree i received the message with 0 symbol errors even. I got the file from Jay. It looks we will need a long time :-) But tomorrow the tendency may be a bit more clear (even if not clear it will be clear :-) ). Let's hope the stacked file will show better than -10 dB tomorrow... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7a302ec14fb4a62f16f049454b6dc54d Subject: Re: VLF: sub-9-kHz TA E>W ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080006000009060503050601" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080006000009060503050601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Markus, 29 dB S/N, quite a good result on your side :-) From the tree i received the message with 0 symbol errors even. I got the file from Jay. It looks we will need a long time :-) But tomorrow the tendency may be a bit more clear (even if not clear it will be clear :-) ). Let's hope the stacked file will show better than -10 dB tomorrow... 73, Stefan Am 13.02.2018 21:16, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > > excellent "local" decode from the cardioid in Amberg: > > list rank 0 > reference phase 180,180,180,180 > carrier S/N 29.02 dB in 39.1 uHz, -15.06 dB in 1Hz, -49.04 dB in 2.5kHz > carrier Es/N0 -0.01 dB > carrier Eb/N0 21.46 dB > info bit period 4491.23 seconds > symbol error rate 81/800 = 10.125 % > Es/N0 from symbol errors -0.9 dB > Eb/N0 from symbol errors 20.6 dB > Shannon capacity 112.3 bits/hour > Shannon efficiency 0.7 % > symbols file 8k27W_02130025-symbols.csv > elapsed 34 seconds > > Good luck to you and Jay, and anyone else who might want to take the > challenge. > > 73, Markus > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Di, 13. Feb 2018 0:01 > Betreff: Re: VLF: sub-9-kHz TA E>W ? > > VLF, > > OK, Jay responded to me personally. We will take the challenge. > > The first transmission is already running: > > *f = 8270.1000 Hz > Start time: 12.FEB.2018 22:32:00 UTC (daily) > Symbol period: 32 s > Characters: 1 > CRC bits: 24 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 07:06:40 [hh:mm:ss] > Antenna current: 700 mA* > > Reports welcome :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 12.02.2018 15:00, schrieb DK7FC: > > Jay, > > You are the one! The one on the other side of the pond who could > manage to get a decode of a message trasnmitted on 8270 Hz, > transatlantic east to west. This has not been done so far. > > Are you interested and ready? You would need to run your PC for a > few days without restarting SpecLab or doing changes in that > SpecLab instance. You could provide the txt files so i can have a > look and see if the stacked Eb/N0 is building up, confirming that > it makes sense to continue to transmit. > > I have no idea if this will work with my small signal. > > Do we want to try? I would start transmitting this evening already > if you say GO! > > 73, Stefan > --------------080006000009060503050601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Markus,

29 dB S/N, quite a good result on your side :-)
>From the tree i received the message with 0 symbol errors even.
I got the file from Jay. It looks we will need a long time :-) But tomorrow the tendency may be a bit more clear (even if not clear it will be clear :-) ). Let's hope the stacked file will show better than -10 dB tomorrow...

73, Stefan

Am 13.02.2018 21:16, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

excellent "local" decode from the cardioid in Amberg:

list rank 0
reference phase 180,180,180,180
carrier S/N 29.02 dB in 39.1 uHz, -15.06 dB in 1Hz, -49.04 dB in 2.5kHz
carrier Es/N0 -0.01 dB
carrier Eb/N0 21.46 dB
info bit period 4491.23 seconds
symbol error rate 81/800 = 10.125 %
Es/N0 from symbol errors -0.9 dB
Eb/N0 from symbol errors 20.6 dB
Shannon capacity 112.3 bits/hour
Shannon efficiency 0.7 %
symbols file 8k27W_02130025-symbols.csv
elapsed 34 seconds

Good luck to you and Jay, and anyone else who might want to take the challenge.

73, Markus



-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 13. Feb 2018 0:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: sub-9-kHz TA E>W ?

VLF,

OK, Jay responded to me personally. We will take the challenge.

The first transmission is already running:

f = 8270.1000 Hz
Start time: 12.FEB.2018  22:32:00 UTC (daily)
Symbol period: 32 s
Characters: 1
CRC bits: 24
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 07:06:40 [hh:mm:ss]
Antenna current: 700 mA

Reports welcome :-)

73, Stefan



Am 12.02.2018 15:00, schrieb DK7FC:
Jay,

You are the one! The one on the other side of the pond who could manage to get a decode of a message trasnmitted on 8270 Hz, transatlantic east to west. This has not been done so far.

Are you interested and ready? You would need to run your PC for a few days without restarting SpecLab or doing changes in that SpecLab instance. You could provide the txt files so i can have a look and see if the stacked Eb/N0 is building up, confirming that it makes sense to continue to transmit.

I have no idea if this will work with my small signal.

Do we want to try? I would start transmitting this evening already if you say GO!

73, Stefan

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