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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Today i searched for suitable materials to build a iron band rod for a coil for 970 Hz. I learned about kornorientiertes Elektroblech, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektroblech or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_steel A normal 50 Hz transformer is using 0.5 mm plates. For higher frequencies there are thinner plates available. I searched for a local company and quickly found this product catalogue: http://www.lohse-ringbandkerne.de/uploads/downloads/Lohse%20Prospekt%20D_web_2017.pdf [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: ULF: A next step for 970 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080601030802060903080103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080601030802060903080103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today i searched for suitable materials to build a iron band rod for a coil for 970 Hz. I learned about kornorientiertes Elektroblech, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektroblech or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_steel A normal 50 Hz transformer is using 0.5 mm plates. For higher frequencies there are thinner plates available. I searched for a local company and quickly found this product catalogue: http://www.lohse-ringbandkerne.de/uploads/downloads/Lohse%20Prospekt%20D_web_2017.pdf Excellent! They offer 0.23 mm think plates. Then i sent them an email request and later i had a telephone talk with the chief of the company. I asked if they have maybe even better materials and he said yes, they have a band of the type H075/18/20. This is a band which has a thickness of just *0.18 mm* and it is 20 mm width. Since it is grain-oriented it matters how the B field passes through it. He said that this special band is worse at 50 Hz but can be used to up to 4 kHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So maybe this opens the frequency range from 4 kHz down to the lower ULF!!!! :-) I got a good price, just 4 EUR for 1 kg but i have to order at least for 100 EUR so i will order 25 kg of that stuff! Already done! My idea is to build a 0.5 m long rod. One piece of the band will then have a cross section area of 3.6 mm^2. I will need about 1000 to 1500 of these bands in parallel. This should fit into a PVC tube with an outher diameter of 80 mm. Very handy! I'll keep you informed ;-) 73, Stefan --------------080601030802060903080103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Today i searched for suitable materials to build a iron band rod for a coil for 970 Hz.
I learned about kornorientiertes Elektroblech, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektroblech or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_steel
A normal 50 Hz transformer is using 0.5 mm plates. For higher frequencies there are thinner plates available.
I searched for a local company and quickly found this product catalogue:
http://www.lohse-ringbandkerne.de/uploads/downloads/Lohse%20Prospekt%20D_web_2017.pdf

Excellent! They offer 0.23 mm think plates.
Then i sent them an email request and later i had a telephone talk with the chief of the company. I asked if they have maybe even better materials and he said yes, they have a band of the type H075/18/20. This is a band which has a thickness of just 0.18 mm and it is 20 mm width. Since it is grain-oriented it matters how the B field passes through it.
He said that this special band is worse at 50 Hz but can be used to up to 4 kHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So maybe this opens the frequency range from 4 kHz down to the lower ULF!!!! :-)

I got a good price, just 4 EUR for 1 kg but i have to order at least for 100 EUR so i will order 25 kg of that stuff! Already done!

My idea is to build a 0.5 m long rod. One piece of the band will then have a cross section area of  3.6 mm^2. I will need about 1000 to 1500 of these bands in parallel. This should fit into a PVC tube with an outher diameter of 80 mm. Very handy!

I'll keep you informed ;-)

73, Stefan
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