Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v8NAMtLJ000973 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:22:57 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dvhW1-0004Gr-2p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:18:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dvhW0-0004Gi-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:18:28 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dvhVx-0001bo-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:18:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([86.31.43.231]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id CyJM1w00C4zFP2m01yJNT9; Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:18:22 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [86.31.43.231] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=XuEHQgx9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:117 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=B1PDQEYeXP53z1fL3ZEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:18:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <59C634ED.8252.27CCAAE3@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.72.572) Content-description: Mail message body DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1506161902; bh=9NMdgOqqLL0YqZKKVWTKT3Q7kN6vmVP22ZeaFTnrjyc=; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Reply-to; b=p/O3iWbdA8MMcX/Lvxv2GMT+Ew6V3SHeoXpVnSLARmj0qZ5541RsTMiDwHMy396bH Klq06HRKxtMXCO/LjI6DdSgzIJuouxszQX9e2gUK4r9UoawiiYCiTwLVA07wkJkdpR NgwXvQm4dXjtOGPzIBB5UeCKcNoKB7rVxD34PL77gQTrPb1xV4/LoDQcvVXECuxRmL Oa57gqpvUKESuYbxvVilvR7GKu7+VbM2Q9VukMHUpN50fgXY4lvWD/uBAKK995wy+R WfiUTk6adOekbbWQYGAfUCTvvbHdn4lTaIAyZvH+s4KTyv68jT9lDS399LkTVzWICJ 8kPqreRYppUdw== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Knowing the effective height of a Marconi antenna is essential in the calculation of radiated power /antenna efficiency at LF/MF. The formula for this includes figures for the capacitance to ground of the vertical and horizontal wires. The result being somewhere between 50% and 100% of the actual height. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: Effective antenna height? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Knowing the effective height of a Marconi antenna is essential in the calculation of radiated power /antenna efficiency at LF/MF. The formula for this includes figures for the capacitance to ground of the vertical and horizontal wires. The result being somewhere between 50% and 100% of the actual height. As long as I have been interested in LF - over 20 years - I have seen (and used) a figure of 5pF/m for the capacitance of the horizontal wire and 6pF/m for the vertical wire. However, I have recently been asked how this figure originated, and must admit that I don't remember. Was it amateur experimentation, or a professional source such as the Admiralty Handbook? The very first amateur UK LF book, a slim spiral bound volume by Peter Dodd, may have the answer but I don't have a copy. Peter's bigger follow-up book, The Low Frequency Experiemnter's Handbook, published in 2000, already takes these figures as understood. Can anyone help, please? Mike, G3XDV ==========